bluethrunthru
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From 2016 - looks like the horse is back in the hospital
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US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024
- Thread starter Ric
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I really really like you. Unfortunately, that's not particularly s good thing in these parts :)To conclude they are not just wrong but racist or uneducated makes you an elitist :)
Maybe because I'm removed from the situation I can take a less passionate view. Or maybe because I'm removed from it i have no right to comment. I'm undecided myself :)
We can all agree that people should be of good character. The disagreement is on what demonstrates good character. It's a crass example but exhibit A
Person A: "Trump is unfit to be President because he's a rapist"
Person B: "At least he isn't killing babies"
Person A: "why do you want to control women you regressive moron? It's 2024 women have reproductive rights"
Person B: "Tell that the baby women."
On one side good character is protecting women's reproductive rights. On one side good character is protecting the rights of the innocent (no matter the circumstances of the conception the baby is always an innocent). Both positions are reasonable to the people that hold them. Both positions are either evidence of good character or at least good enough to outweigh the less desirable characteristics.
Ha even writing this seems like such an unsatisfactory answer. I'm sorry you are in such turmoil
mrbelfry
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What's all the hand wringing about then? Sounds like you just described a normal election campaign to me.He won because he told us what he thought was wrong and how he would fix it and more people believed him on both counts than didn’t, and Harris did same, and fewer believed her than didn’t.
The difference is Trump is a serial liar, so . . .
One man's lie is another man's truth or something
mrbelfry
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No doubt. So now we've identified the problem and all agree we can move on :)Then I’ve been right all along — voting for Trump is a revenge vote because his supporters feel “talked down to.”
So instead — we vote for a guy who pushed the Queen out of the way during a public appearance.
But you know, he’d never talk down to you.
mrbelfry
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Deleting my accountI really really like you. Unfortunately, that's not particularly s good thing in these parts :)
FogBlueInSanFran
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Cuz I have a kid calling me at 5:30 am from her college dorm hysterical because some fuck banged on her door saying “Trump won you dyke.”What's all the hand wringing about then? Sounds like you just described a normal election campaign to me.
One man's lie is another man's truth or something
That’s what it’s about.
Guess that’s just his truth eh?
mrbelfry
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This is personal for you in a way that isn't for me so I'll quit antagonising you. I hope your fears are unfounded and that's an isolated incident.I am supremely disinterested in what the anti-abortion virgin wing of the GOP thinks of where I eat.
I am well aware that the physical safety of my LGBTQ kid isn’t important to you or to many who voted for Trump — you don’t need to tell me that.
That said — I’ve gotten it figured out now, thanks.
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It's probably not even that complicated. When the majority don't like the trajectory of the country, they vote out the party in power.
The hope was that because some elitist thought this particular guy was so bad, perhaps the populace might not do what they've almost always done... But they did.
This isn't some complexed complicated story. Present government was poor for most of its term, then presented a poor candidate... Late... What did anyone think was going to happen?
Anything can happen, but the only real surprise would have been a Kamala Harris win.
Biden lost these elections.
It's american culture.
Protestant, ambitious and Anglo-Germanic culture.
It is not the humanist and Catholic Mediterranean culture.
Americans love a winner.
And, as character, Biden is a loser, and Trump is a winner.
Biden lived his entire life in politics. He is a man without presence. You whatch him and hear him and your insides feel nothing. You turn off the TV or fall asleep when he appears on the screen.
Trump represents the "self-made man." Successful businessman. He transmits interest, energy, security...
These types of choices are won by the character. And Biden made Harris lose these elections, because Biden was the one there and caused fatigue and indifference in the American people.
FogBlueInSanFran
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Maybe Dax will get a tax cut out of it though.This is personal for you in a way that isn't for me so I'll quit antagonising you. I hope your fears are unfounded and that's an isolated incident.