US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

[Rory Bluelow]

So let me get this straight.

The GOP big 3 got 240 million views, Fetterman got 1.5 million.

But Harris is supposed to go on this show because she’s going to somehow convince Rogan’s audience, who obviously hasn’t made up their mind.

Oh . . . but I can’t question your opinion on this topic because I might sound “preachy” and “talk down to you.” Apologies.

????….whatever

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

????….whatever

I apologis(z)e for using logic and data.

 

[super_city_si]

The same Carville who was telling everyone the Democrat’s are not just 99% sure to win the Election. But 100 %. There's nothing more Certain was his phrase.

Yes a lot of revisionism going on in the democrat party. If they knew all this, why didn't they do it? Why didnt anyone say anything? Just bollocks

 

[Rory Bluelow]

I’m not doubting what you say about Rogan’s audience, I watch him if he’s speaking to someone I believe is interesting and I’ve never seen him give any of his guests a hard time. I genuinely have no idea about his audience but I like relaxed conversational style of interviews. Politics is a kind of gladiatorial combat, it’s visceral and increasingly dripping with hate for the “other side”. It’s not a kind place and nobody is whiter-than-white would be my observation after 69 years on the planet. However you cut it, the Dems picked themselves a shit candidate - there’s no way to sugar-coat it. Drawing on my lived experience of thriving and surviving in the Corporate shark tank of a Fortune 500 Company, I spotted that Harris had that “rabbit in headlights” look of fear in the earliest days of her campaign. She was always going to lose and she lost badly.
I’m sure America will survive a Trump term !
But what do we Brits know, looking at our recent history !

 

[threespires]

@Dax777 did you respond to the questions re the GOP Vs Dems re. Christian principles?

We don't really have that same politics/religion intersection here (anymore) so it's quite interesting to me.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Yes a lot of revisionism going on in the democrat party. If they knew all this, why didn't they do it? Why didnt anyone say anything? Just bollocks

Did you watch the referenced video? Carville did in fact make numerous recommendations which he cites and he even provides the approximate dates on which he made each recommendation. And he's pretty blunt in the video about exactly what he said and is pissed off that nobody listened to him.

Carville wasn't running Harris' campaign and wasn't even on her campaign team - so there's not much more that he could have done as an outsider pundit.

I do agree that the video misrepresents the extent to which Carville was worried. He - like nearly every other Dem was optimistic about Harris' chances - I do - however - think he put a much more positive spin on things than he personally felt in order to create a positive atmosphere in the final week before the election.

 

[The blue phantom]

Did you watch the referenced video? Carville did in fact make numerous recommendations which he cites and he even provides the approximate dates on which he made each recommendation. And he's pretty blunt in the video about exactly what he said and is pissed off that nobody listened to him.

Carville wasn't running Harris' campaign and wasn't even on her campaign team - so there's not much more that he could have done as an outsider pundit.

I do agree that the video misrepresents the extent to which Carville was worried. He - like nearly every other Dem was optimistic about Harris' chances - I do - however - think he put a much more positive spin on things than he personally felt in order to create a positive atmosphere in the final week before the election.

Tbf he was a bit more than optimistic about Harris's chances. It was a slam dunk according to him.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I’m not doubting what you say about Rogan’s audience, I watch him if he’s speaking to someone I believe is interesting and I’ve never seen him give any of his guests a hard time. I genuinely have no idea about his audience but I like relaxed conversational style of interviews. Politics is a kind of gladiatorial combat, it’s visceral and increasingly dripping with hate for the “other side”. It’s not a kind place and nobody is whiter-than-white would be my observation after 69 years on the planet. However you cut it, the Dems picked themselves a shit candidate - there’s no way to sugar-coat it. Drawing on my lived experience of thriving and surviving in the Corporate shark tank of a Fortune 500 Company, I spotted that Harris had that “rabbit in headlights” look of fear in the earliest days of her campaign. She was always going to lose and she lost badly.
I’m sure America will survive a Trump term !
But what do we Brits know, looking at our recent history !

I think America will survive -- but my concern is more certain Americans -- the ones he and his more Machiavellian minions plus the more craven of the rabble want to enact their revenge upon. It starts with immigrants, then moves to LGTBQ people, then "Democrats" then women at large (and I'm obviously missing many other non-white, non-Christian sub-groups). Many members of these groups will suffer -- and suffering begins with feeling frightened and hopeless.

It is Donald Trump and his party who have made them feel this way.

Trump is not interested in making America better for Americans. He's interested in making America better for HIM. Which means he's richer, protected from the consequences of his past actions, and makes those who opposed him suffer his "revenge".

The only thing that would make this worse is if he weren't stupid or lazy, but since he's both, and so venal, it's his complete and utter self-interest that probably limits the damage on the nation. But also maybe not, given that the Senate, House, court system, press and probably bureaucracy are increasingly powerless to prevent him from doing whatever he wants.

If those who supported him cannot see this, and immediately reject it on it's face, than they either a) don't care or b) are blind and deaf to it. As such, I don't think it matters one whit who the candidate he was running against was.

As I've taken great pains to explain over my many years on these threads, my issue is with Trump, not Conservatives generally. I voted for Mitt Romney. I voted for Ronald Reagan. I have voted for other Republicans too. I vote for the candidate I believe is the most pragmatic and thoughtful first; the politics come second.

I lost faith in many Americans' common sense when he won the first time, but we survived. That I had any hope at all this time in the face of overwhelming evidence as to who and what he is after his first term, then the pandemic, then 1/6, then the court cases, then the campaign is my own foolish optimism getting the better of me again. What's the phrase? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

It's not Trump that fooled me -- it's the American people who did.

They won't again.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Tbf he was a bit more than optimistic about Harris's chances. It was a slam dunk according to him.

Just so - again, he likely didn't want to be a Debby-Downer on the eve of election. That said, I think he was optimistic of Harris' chances.

 

[Vic]

@Dax777 did you respond to the questions re the GOP Vs Dems re. Christian principles?

We don't really have that same politics/religion intersection here (anymore) so it's quite interesting to me.

That was in the Trump thread, and no, he's dodging it.