US Presidential Race 2016

[the plasterer]

She does not "lie her ass off", she lies significantly less than all of the other candidates who ran. Stop pretending that sending emails from a private server is just as bad as somebody who grabs women by the pussy against their will, scams people with a fake university, settled a case out of court where he was being sued for denying housing to minorities, is accused of sexually assaulting twelve women, lost a billion dollars in a year, doesn't pay taxes, wants to fuck his daughter, body shames women, stiffs thousands of contractors who worked for him, has gone bankrupt four times, is in favor of our military committing war crimes, runs a fake charity that he uses to buy 6' paintings of himself, denied healthcare to his nephew with cerebral palsy when his father died to get a larger inheritance, calls for Russia to hack his political opponents, is about to go to court for raping a 13-year-old girl, calls for his political opponent to be assassinated and doesn't understand why it's not okay to use nuclear weapons.

There is a difference there, I hope that you can see it. You don't have to be perfect to be better than Donald Trump, you just have to not be a vile, disgusting human.

Other than that, what's wrong with trump??,

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

She does not "lie her ass off", she lies significantly less than all of the other candidates who ran. Stop pretending that sending emails from a private server is just as bad as somebody who grabs women by the pussy against their will, scams people with a fake university, settled a case out of court where he was being sued for denying housing to minorities, is accused of sexually assaulting twelve women, lost a billion dollars in a year, doesn't pay taxes, wants to fuck his daughter, body shames women, stiffs thousands of contractors who worked for him, has gone bankrupt four times, is in favor of our military committing war crimes, runs a fake charity that he uses to buy 6' paintings of himself, denied healthcare to his nephew with cerebral palsy when his father died to get a larger inheritance, calls for Russia to hack his political opponents, is about to go to court for raping a 13-year-old girl, calls for his political opponent to be assassinated and doesn't understand why it's not okay to use nuclear weapons.

There is a difference there, I hope that you can see it. You don't have to be perfect to be better than Donald Trump, you just have to not be a vile, disgusting human.

Where have I said sending emails from a private server is as bad as Trump? Please let me know. In fact please find anywhere when I have said anything positive about Trump. I have continually run him down in this thread I havent said one positive thing about him, I was the one who first called him a cheeto faced ferret wearing shitgibbon on here. You jumped on my post like I was a Trump fan, which you couldnt be more wrong about.

The sorry fact that most rational people can see is that you have 2 terrible candidates standing for the 2 main parties for president, if Hillary was even an average candidate she would be 15+ points up in the opinion polls because Trump is that bad, but they are almost level now, which says a lot. Just because one is far more competent than the other, doesnt make her great, far from it, I remember the shit she came out with when her husband was up to no good, I remember the lies she told about Obama in her first run for president and I now see the spin and bullshit she puts out in response to Trump, that is without taking into account the things she has lied about in office and her email server, you act like that is the only thing she has ever done wrong. Hillary is a liar, she just lies less and in a far more controlled way than Trump, if you dont believe that, thats your prerogative, however, history tells a different story.

 

[CitizenTID]

I would agree that the whole "It's the Russians!" might sound dodgy, except for the fact that SHE didn't bring it up, it was the Security Services who said that the hacking that was being done had been tracked to a specific building in Russia that is also known to be a Russian cybercrime building!!! She brought it up because THEY confirmed it, as opposed to it being a distractor. Indeed, only since this was uncovered, has her campaign refused to discuss the supposed leaked emails, because no one knows what is a real email and what isn't...to include an email by another politician ABOUT CLINTON that has been PROVEN to be a fake.

The fucking Ruskies are knee deep in deception and distraction in this election, which makes you seriously wonder if Trump's cozying up to Putin is only about the deals he has with some of Putin's oligarch buddies, the money he owes to Russian billionaires, or Trump's admiration of his dictatorial powers that enable him to do whatever he pleases.

I'll be glad when it is over, as long as Hillary is elected President!!! ;-)

Fair enough didn't know that, not to say the security services aren't playing their own games though you never know. I think it's obvious Trump sees Russia as a huge business opportunity, but whilst that comes from his own self interest it does us (the rest of the world, US citizens may have a different view if it impacts your economy) a big favour. No doubt the Russians have been excellent at deception/distraction/propaganda around this but whether their intentions are good or bad behind it all, it's a big opportunity for them so they're going to take it like any intelligently run nation would. They've being backed into a corner economically (sanctions) and militarily (NATO lining forces along their border countries), it's in their defence interests as a precaution to want Trump as president. No doubt they would aid Wikileaks, but I think it's much too far to say Wikileaks are working for/with Russia to further Russian aims (I've not seen any evidence to suggest anything more than Russians aiding Wikileaks). Sure, if the Russians are aiding Wikileaks they might expect something in return (they just as might not since aiding Wikileaks is in their best interest anyway), Wikileaks might concede certain things such as focussing on Clinton and not Trump but there's nothing to suggest that is or isn't the case. Everything like this (especially political) is about playing a long-term game, a party might look to be doing something with bad intentions, but they're long-term intentions could be good or at least justifiable.

So while Russia might be showing effective propaganda (RT is a masterclass play by Putin's govt.), it's only like the continual (many times subtle) propaganda of the US media and every political party that wants to achieve anything will utilise propaganda of varying kinds. From the Russian perspective, they can justifiably see these latest NATO military moves around their border as similar to when they used Cuba during the cold war, so you can't blame them for employing the tactics available to them. I haven't looked too in-depth but I believe NATO are trying to justify their moves because Russia have been moving some military capabilities close to their border with these countries, but this is within their country (could be various reasons to) so unless it's mobilising a mass of foot soldiers or the like, it's a bit daft to claim Russia are being aggressive with their border countries.

 

[CitizenTID]

She does not "lie her ass off", she lies significantly less than all of the other candidates who ran. Stop pretending that sending emails from a private server is just as bad as somebody who grabs women by the pussy against their will, scams people with a fake university, settled a case out of court where he was being sued for denying housing to minorities, is accused of sexually assaulting twelve women, lost a billion dollars in a year, doesn't pay taxes, wants to fuck his daughter, body shames women, stiffs thousands of contractors who worked for him, has gone bankrupt four times, is in favor of our military committing war crimes, runs a fake charity that he uses to buy 6' paintings of himself, denied healthcare to his nephew with cerebral palsy when his father died to get a larger inheritance, calls for Russia to hack his political opponents, is about to go to court for raping a 13-year-old girl, calls for his political opponent to be assassinated and doesn't understand why it's not okay to use nuclear weapons.

There is a difference there, I hope that you can see it. You don't have to be perfect to be better than Donald Trump, you just have to not be a vile, disgusting human.

This is what's irked me throughout this. Besides some of that being unproven/devoid of the context (any corp as successful as him takes advantage of opportunities available to them - same as the ones funding Clinton who have a world political agenda unlike Trump), it isn't that Clinton used a private server to handle confidential documents - it's what's in those documents and a lot of Clinton supporters are completely ignoring what's in them and why she used a private server/why she deleted so many emails. Most of mainstream media has done the same too. Little of what you say there about Trump says what his presidency would be like vs. Clinton's and the implications on the world stage - there are quite a few BIG differences, you're not voting on a personality contest - yes there is a subjective line (when the bad things he's done outweighs the potential good over a Hilary presidency), but it's not yet been proven that Trump has crossed the line with his past behaviour.

 

[CitizenTID]

Where have I said sending emails from a private server is as bad as Trump? Please let me know. In fact please find anywhere when I have said anything positive about Trump. I have continually run him down in this thread I havent said one positive thing about him, I was the one who first called him a cheeto faced ferret wearing shitgibbon on here. You jumped on my post like I was a Trump fan, which you couldnt be more wrong about.

The sorry fact that most rational people can see is that you have 2 terrible candidates standing for the 2 main parties for president, if Hillary was even an average candidate she would be 15+ points up in the opinion polls because Trump is that bad, but they are almost level now, which says a lot. Just because one is far more competent than the other, doesnt make her great, far from it, I remember the shit she came out with when her husband was up to no good, I remember the lies she told about Obama in her first run for president and I now see the spin and bullshit she puts out in response to Trump, that is without taking into account the things she has lied about in office and her email server, you act like that is the only thing she has ever done wrong. Hillary is a liar, she just lies less and in a far more controlled way than Trump, if you dont believe that, thats your prerogative, however, history tells a different story.

I think some of this sums this election up: anyone attempting to look at a preference from an objective stance is simply trying to weigh up the lesser of two evils and any positives they have potential to bring to the table. It's not as simple, or at least not the full story, in calling such a person a Trump or Clinton supporter.

 

[buckshot]

This is what's irked me throughout this. Besides some of that being unproven/devoid of the context (any corp as successful as him takes advantage of opportunities available to them - same as the ones funding Clinton who have a world political agenda unlike Trump), it isn't that Clinton used a private server to handle confidential documents - it's what's in those documents and a lot of Clinton supporters are completely ignoring what's in them and why she used a private server/why she deleted so many emails. Most of mainstream media has done the same too. Little of what you say there about Trump says what his presidency would be like vs. Clinton's and the implications on the world stage - there are quite a few BIG differences, you're not voting on a personality contest - yes there is a subjective line (when the bad things he's done outweighs the potential good over a Hilary presidency), but it's not yet been proven that Trump has crossed the line with his past behaviour.

The man didn't realize that Russia was in Ukraine. He doesn't possess average intelligence let alone the brains to understand the nuances of world affairs. When asked what he would replace our current healthcare system with he said "Something terrific". When asked about how he would change our vetting process for refugees he said "We would keep it the same but do it with higher energy". He has also warned that if Hillary Clinton is elected she'd bring in 650 million immigrants in the first week, our population is currently 320 million. He's also in favor of torture and killing the families of suspected terrorists which is a war crime. If he gives an order like that and the military refuses to obey we could have a Constitutional crisis and possibly a military coup.

As far as deleting emails, grow the fuck up. It was a private fucking server, I get 75 emails every fucking day offering me discounts on everything from sunglasses to cruises and I delete all of them. If you don't think Hillary Clinton gets more bullshit emails than I do then you're stupid. And if you think that she nefariously deleted 30,000 emails because they were all incriminating your mind has been poisoned by Fox News.

There was no hack of her private server and there has been nothing incriminating that has come out in the leaks. People think there have been because they're confused about what Wikileaks has...

Oh for fucks sake, you're too stupid to reason with. It's very simple, I don't think we should risk nuclear annihilation to elect Trump because Hillary Clinton sent emails from a private server. Imagine if the person running against Hitler was far more qualified but people didn't vote for him because he sent some official letters w/ his own address as the return address? Wouldn't it have been better to avoid the fucking Holocaust and not elect Hitler if it meant overlooking the address thing?

 

[malg]

I see we've got to Hitler.

 

[mat]

I see we've got to Hitler.

Is he running on a moderate ticket?

 

[malg]

Is he running on a moderate ticket?

Hahaha.........he would be compared to those two!

 

[arfurclue]

What I am finding curious, is that there is seemingly greater openness to intelligence and cultured ideas in the book 'Pep Guardiola: The Evolution' (Garry Kasparov, Feran Adria, Krishnamurti, Gaugain) than in, for example, all three presidential debates put together. As though football is opening to higher intelligence at the same time as politics has taken a turn to the dark ages and some kind of dumbed down 'reality show.' Strange...