VAR - 2020/21

[Hart of the Matter]

you know Man U would normally have been awarded a penalty for diving yesterday ? Without VAR.


no one craves a sterile world, they just want blatant incorrect decisions to be reduced and refs to get some help.

in the mean time, everyone is loving the footie and for a lot of folk it’s keeping them going, there will be packed stadiums and football is as popular as ever, so VAR killing the game? I don’t think so.

the issue is not individual decisions though interestingly you admit diving is still happening? (You absolutely said VAR will put an end to diving)
As for crowds returning, we will see. Seems you are a massive advocate despite your mealy mouthed protestations.

 

[Franny's toilet roll]

Handball decisions in Saints vs Wolves, oth wrong Saints no penalty , Wolves was a penalty all day long, how is he not controlling the ball or gaining an advantage? Same officials, same game, different interpretations, gross incompetence or bent - one or the other take yer pick

 

[Hart of the Matter]

and that would have been ok ? A ref giving a penalty when it’s a free kick ?

Yes, because it was a penalty and not a clear and obvious error. Once again VAR is shit, stopped a game for 5 mins and still got a decision wrong.

 

[Silvercloud]

Yes, because it was a penalty and not a clear and obvious error. Once again VAR is shit, stopped a game for 5 mins and still got a decision wrong.

The one outside the box? Am I thinking of the same incident?

 

[BlueHammer85]

the issue is not individual decisions though interestingly you admit diving is still happening? (You absolutely said VAR will put an end to diving)
As for crowds returning, we will see. Seems you are a massive advocate despite your mealy mouthed protestations.

Can you quote me saying that VAR will put an end to diving completely?

I said it will reduce the blatant ridiculous dives with zero contact. There’s no real way of proving, but I think Salah and co are diving less now with VAR than before.
However , they are cunning bastards, players look to make contact and go down.

either way ... before a ref would just point to the spot and give a pen. Now he has the chances to watch a reply to see, and if he thinks the players dived he can overturn that, where as before - refs didn’t have a clue, they were literally guessing.

... You really think crowds are going to reduce because of VAR ?

... and final point. I’m a massive advocate for VAR to improve and get better. I’m all for scrutinising it and posters like yourself to point out the negatives, this is needed, not just for debates on forums, but to translate to VAR all around the world to look at ways to make it better and more transparent. It has flaws and a long way to go before I would say I’m a massive advocate but do I want to go back to the old way of officiating, personally no.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

The one outside the box? Am I thinking of the same incident?

Funny. 2 of the 3 BT pundits saw it as the ref did. So not clear and obvious. If you watched the match live you will have seen several replays from several angles.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Can you quote me saying that VAR will put an end to diving completely?

I said it will reduce the blatant ridiculous dives with zero contact. There’s no real way of proving, but I think Salah and co are diving less now with VAR than before.
However , they are cunning bastards, players look to make contact and go down.

either way ... before a ref would just point to the spot and give a pen. Now he has the chances to watch a reply to see, and if he thinks the players dived he can overturn that, where as before - refs didn’t have a clue, they were literally guessing.

... You really think crowds are going to reduce because of VAR ?

... and final point. I’m a massive advocate for VAR to improve and get better. I’m all for scrutinising it and posters like yourself to point out the negatives, this is needed, not just for debates on forums, but to translate to VAR all around the world to look at ways to make it better and more transparent. It has flaws and a long way to go before I would say I’m a massive advocate but do I want to go back to the old way of officiating, personally no.

Shit. If I am contributing to making VAR better I better stop posting!!!!

 

[Dirty Harry]

It's not VAR that's the issue.

The game needs a reboot when it comes to penalties. We need to get away from 'there was contact' and shift towards 'was it a foul'. A foul should require significant force. The game would be much better if penalties like ours last night and Salah's last week weren't penalties. The whole 'contact' issue just validates and encourages dives. Stick the word force in there and it solves a lot of the 'modern' penalty issues as described by Mourinho last night. Tribalism doesn't help either.

Agreed, it's become ridiculous now, most people who have even a small amount of knowledge of the game know whether a defender has tried to foul/stop a player, or whether a player has 'engineered' a situation or deliberately tried to initiate contact, what worries me most, is that the officials don't seem to realise this, it's almost like they've never played or watched the game and are reading from a "how to referee" manual !

 

[Silvercloud]

Funny. 2 of the 3 BT pundits saw it as the ref did. So not clear and obvious. If you watched the match live you will have seen several replays from several angles.

So 2 out of 3 pundits thought this challenge was inside the box? Am I missing something?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

VAR's getting a bad press this morning from three very experienced PL Managers - Ollie, Klippity, and Hassenhutl. I would listen avidly to what each of them said but I thought I'd check their match score first and found that none of them recorded a win at the weekend and they were on the shitty end of VAR decisions. Now if said managers had come out constantly bemoaning the shitty decisions affecting all teams, particularly the ones against whom they secured a VAR advantage then they would have a lot more credence than bemoaning the system when it shits on them. Eff off, yer moaning blinkered one-eyed bastards.