VAR - 2020/21

[BlueHammer85]

And you say you are not a WUM but you lead with those opening 2 lines.

I think i have a right to say that, i like that poster want VAR but want it to be improved. i don't think for having that view makes me supportive of killing the game and being a c*nt.

I didn't see the game, but without VAR the penalty would have been given to Man U right ? regardless of it being offside.


How are the officials who operate it getting everything so wrong week after week?

firstly, there's no mention here of how many they get right - there has been hundreds of decisions which the refs would have normally got wrong, but checking VAR they realise player was offside or there was actually a foul.
this all goes very quiet.

however, there are still to many times where officials have checked and still got it wrong - Dean/Mason last week, they have been absolutely slaughtered, and they don't have a excuse of not seeing it again. I think there would have been less uproar without VAR because we got so accustomed to bad decisions.

No system is going to be 100% perfect, i really have to repeat that, otherwise we can all point at decisions and say 'explain that then ?!' and it will go on forever, but just because a system isn't 100% perfect, it can still be a better alternative to before.

I am just as angry as anyone when refs fuck up and more so with the benefit of VAR. refs need better training and more transparency, a lot of good suggestions, ie: refs being miked up. could be a solution.

 

[Saddleworth2]

But that doesn't fit his argument that var is wonderful and we are all wrong.

I didn't read that as his argument mate. He isn't a wum either. Pretty descent poster imo.
In terms of VAR, nothing wrong with the system, its the corrupt/incompetent bastards that operate it. Could be fixed tomorrow simply by copying the Rugby Union model. Mike refs and and video refs and let everyone hear the discussions between them. Apply common sense to offside, none of this arm hair nonsense. Its either clear offside or its not offside. Handball same, If the player appears to be taking reasonable steps to avoid handling then its not. Particularly when the ball s blasted against hand from two metres. They have fucked about with this for too long and its just not good enough and fuck all to do with VAR.
Diving can be stamped out tomorrow using VAR. If a player exaggerates the effect of contact book the bastard. Like the 10 yards rule in RU, it will stop things dead. All this goes on whilst some of the defending for set pieces resembles wrestling - another area to properly sort out.

The fact is non of this will happen as referees and POGMOL like a 'tool box' with which to manipulate games. They had that before VAR and VAR has added some more for them to use.

 

[BlueHammer85]

But that doesn't fit his argument that var is wonderful and we are all wrong.

then you are not reading the many negatives i give VAR,

i just feel its the right way to go rather than reverting back to the old way of officiating.

but yeh, that really means i think it's so ''wonderful.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

In reality the dive with zero contact will not result in a penalty 99% of time thanks to VAR. before VAR refs were giving penalty’s for blatant dives all the time.

now I know the art is changing, players are so clever and make sure they make contact before going down so on replays it looks worse. This is something VAR has to take into account and improve.

or we just scrap it and go back to letting players dive and win pens and have loads more Martial type penalty’s given than we do now.

If you look back at some of those 'Martial type' penalties, then by the letter of the law they should have been given as obstruction against Martial for impeding the defender as he plays the ball forward (not within playing distance) steps across defenders path and then puts on the brakes and goes down in a heap when the inevitable collision occurs.

With or without VAR it's weak officiating.

 

[BlueHammer85]

If you look back at some of those 'Martial type' penalties, then by the letter of the law they should have been given as obstruction against Martial for impeding the defender as he plays the ball forward (not within playing distance) steps across defenders path and then puts on the brakes and goes down in a heap when the inevitable collision occurs.

With or without VAR it's weak officiating.

definitely, the letter of the law needs changing if players can dive like that and win pens.

 

[Blue Mist]

I think i have a right to say that, i like that poster want VAR but want it to be improved. i don't think for having that view makes me supportive of killing the game and being a c*nt.

I didn't see the game, but without VAR the penalty would have been given to Man U right ? regardless of it being offside.


How are the officials who operate it getting everything so wrong week after week?

firstly, there's no mention here of how many they get right - there has been hundreds of decisions which the refs would have normally got wrong, but checking VAR they realise player was offside or there was actually a foul.
this all goes very quiet.

however, there are still to many times where officials have checked and still got it wrong - Dean/Mason last week, they have been absolutely slaughtered, and they don't have a excuse of not seeing it again. I think there would have been less uproar without VAR because we got so accustomed to bad decisions.

No system is going to be 100% perfect, i really have to repeat that, otherwise we can all point at decisions and say 'explain that then ?!' and it will go on forever, but just because a system isn't 100% perfect, it can still be a better alternative to before.

I am just as angry as anyone when refs fuck up and more so with the benefit of VAR. refs need better training and more transparency, a lot of good suggestions, ie: refs being miked up. could be a solution.

What I do find very strange is that there are 2 real worlds, yours and the one that the rest of us live in. Despite your alleged belief that the majority of the people reside in yours, they don't.
VAR as a piece of equipment is not technically good enough to calculate when a player kicks the ball AND where abouts another player, further forward is. It is then left to clowns to make a decision.

 

[daztrueblue91]

And you say you are not a WUM but you lead with those opening 2 lines.

Was VAR working at West Brom?
Why didn't they look at the offside first?
How are the officials who operate it getting everything so wrong week after week?

I not 100% sure on the rule but when does Maguire become offside by the letter of the law?

Is it when he touches the ball or attempts to play the ball? If so, the contact on him is before the ball is near him. Maybe that’s why the offside wasn’t looked at.

I remember Dinho giving away a similar penalty in the CL.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

definitely, the letter of the law needs changing if players can dive like that and win pens.

The letter of the law covers it. It's just that the officials are too weak to enforce the law.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I not 100% sure on the rule but when does Maguire become offside by the letter of the law?

Is it when he touches the ball or attempts to play the ball? If so, the contact on him is before the ball is near him. Maybe that’s why the offside wasn’t looked at.

I remember Dinho giving away a similar penalty in the CL.

yes, that was what I was trying to remember, it's a bullshit rule if indeed that is the logic. He's gained an advantage and it's no different to Rodri being in an advantageous position and taking advantage so we should get a rule change by Tuesday if fair's fair.

 

[daztrueblue91]

yes, that was what I was trying to remember, it's a bullshit rule if indeed that is the logic. He's gained an advantage and it's no different to Rodri being in an advantageous position and taking advantage so we should get a rule change by Tuesday if fair's fair.

If Maguire’s penalty would have stood and been scored, I’d have bet my life on no one in the media calling it ‘morally unpalatable’.