VAR - 2020/21

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Handball decisions in Saints vs Wolves, oth wrong Saints no penalty , Wolves was a penalty all day long, how is he not controlling the ball or gaining an advantage? Same officials, same game, different interpretations, gross incompetence or bent - one or the other take yer pick

see I thought the decisions were correct, but Saints have been fucked in recent weeks for whatever reason. The one that irks me was Sheff Utd because that was pretty much identical to the one we got against Villa the week before and we didn't get a pen.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

So 2 out of 3 pundits thought this challenge was inside the box? Am I missing something?

In those instances it's pretty nigh impossible, even with hawk-eyed VAR wallahs in the whelk shed, part of the player is inside, part on the line and part outside. Most of him is outside but where and when does he get fouled? The whole thing is a fuckin' lottery which MANUre seem to have cornered the market in winning raffle tickets. It's just dawned on Klippity that MANUre have had more pens in two seasons than the Dippers have had in five, despite the gymnastics from Salah and Mané! If Klopp is concerned about pens per season he ought to look at how many per season EFC were chalking up - wasn't it running at something just over one?

 

[Hart of the Matter]

I believe diving is worse now.
The issue is the impact VAR is having on refs decision making. They know mistakes can be reviewed via VAR so they are opting for the easy option. Player goes down, give a penalty. VAR says some contact therefore not clear and obvious mistake. Players therefore are trying their luck more.
What VAR (and fans for that matter) cannot judge but a live ref used to judge, is the degree and severity of any contact made at reall world speed and with the intimacy of close proxity including sound. This has now been lost. Refs, especially against the media focus clubs know that if they don't give a pen and VAR show contact then they are mince meat for days after.
Do not under estimate the impact VAR is having on Refs (or Lino) decision making. It is huge. We cannot for sure compare if decisions now would have been made the same way without VAR.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I believe diving is worse now.
The issue is the impact VAR is having on refs decision making. They know mistakes can be reviewed via VAR so they are opting for the easy option. Player goes down, give a penalty. VAR says some contact therefore not clear and obvious mistake. Players therefore are trying their luck more.
What VAR (and fans for that matter) cannot judge but a live ref used to judge, is the degree and severity of any contact made at reall world speed and with the intimacy of close proxity including sound. This has now been lost. Refs, especially against the media focus clubs know that if they don't give a pen and VAR show contact then they are mince meat for days after.
Do not under estimate the impact VAR is having on Refs (or Lino) decision making. It is huge. We cannot for sure compare if decisions now would have been made the same way without VAR.

Decisions should have to be reviewed at full speed. What irks me is the likes of Marriner can overturn Saka's yesterday, give a softer one 2 minutes later and Salah's last week isn't overturned.

 

[Blue Mist]

you’re in majority in the real world that favour Var but want it improved.

some on here will make out that you are a WUM c*nt that’s ruined the game for having that view

And you say you are not a WUM but you lead with those opening 2 lines.

Was VAR working at West Brom?
Why didn't they look at the offside first?
How are the officials who operate it getting everything so wrong week after week?

 

[foggy1974]

If no VAR this weekend then Liverpool dont concede their first against Leicester and possibly dont loose that game. And the rags get an undeserved penalty yesterday at West Brom and most likely win that game.


VAR is far from perfect (because of the corrupt officials) but this weekends games yet again gave clear examples of how those 2 sides are generally referee’d and without VAR the unchecked refs would have been able to improve both of the cartels results. Im 100% with you about it not bring used properly and should be totally transparent!! But its better than the old system where the refs were left to take the piss. Which they did regularly....

Thankfully VAR stopped that happening!

But Leicester would of had a penalty as Taylor pointed to the spot

 

[Blue Mist]

Don't be a dick. Without VAR Leicester would have had a penalty instead of a free kick.

But that doesn't fit his argument that var is wonderful and we are all wrong.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Refs don’t seem to be brave enough to carry the burden of saying, “It’s not a foul just because there is contact. The attacker initiated contact, not the defender, so he was ‘playing’ for a foul that never came.”

Instead, they hide behind “contact,” and pray that the PL will let them ref the big games, and UEFA will let them ref in the CL.

The complete lack of consistency, even with VAR, is a joke. How Dean gives a red card to Soucek is beyond me, even without the overturned red the previous week! He must have watched that replay at least a dozen times, when all you needed was ONE REAL TIME viewing to know there was absolutely NOTHING in it!

As for the Wolves game, it is a travesty. The Bertrand one is “natural position, while the Coady(?) one was arm out! Beggars belief!

IFAB have to go back to “intent to make your body bigger in an attempt to stop the ball,” because watching defenders trying to defend with their arms behind their back looks as ridiculous as it sounds!

And, initiating contact (throwing your leg out) inside the box in an attempt to con the ref should be a yellow card offence, just like diving. Indeed, ANY kind of diving, to include seeing a player starting to go down before a challenge, should be a yellow card offence.

Cheating is ruining the game. However, until cheating DOESN’T PAY, no-one is going to stop it.

And, don’t get me started about all the rolling around and grabbing at legs as if they’ve been broken when you haven’t even been kicked! Scourge on the game.

VAR is a good thing, if used properly. Too many cowards using it at the moment.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Agreed, it's become ridiculous now, most people who have even a small amount of knowledge of the game know whether a defender has tried to foul/stop a player, or whether a player has 'engineered' a situation or deliberately tried to initiate contact, what worries me most, is that the officials don't seem to realise this, it's almost like they've never played or watched the game and are reading from a "how to referee" manual !

Yes but it all stems from the 'contact' issue. The whole 'there was contact so he has every right to go down' arguement is where the penalty situation has gone too far. Take Salah last week. He knows with the contact he can go down. If he knows that the tap on his shoulder alone isn't enough to win a penalty then (eventually) he will learn not to go down and everything will go full circle again. For a team to have a free shot from 12 yards out it should be for something significant.

 

[Gray]

you know Man U would normally have been awarded a penalty for diving yesterday ? Without VAR.

Yes that is correct, the problem is VAR did not disallow it for the correct reason. Are they actually doing anything at Stockley Park - would we know if they had had a powercut, gone to brew up, had a fire drill? We never see them, hear them or have them interviewed after the game. They are unaccountable to us the paying public and frankly that stinks.