VAR - 2020/21

[BlueHammer85]

Because subjective decisions can now be easily manipulated.

They've already had 2 pens in 3 games this season.

You clearly think its all legit so I'll leave it with you. It's not like half of the PL have anything against City, their not that bitter that they'd write to UEFA, CAS or the PL..

I would like nothing more than actual real 100% proof that VAR is all part of some corruption against Man City and designed to help Man United

How many people would have to be involved in this ? The whole of the FA ? Every official in the VAR rooms ? And no one has come out and said anything still ?

I’m sorry, but yes I have witnessed some bad decisions go against Man City a lot , and some head scratching decisions against my Hammers aswell and loads of games - we can all pick and choose decisions pre VAR and with VAR and ask each other to explain why it was given. For me it’s just bad officiating and human error. I know that is a unpopular view on here and I apologies for being honest.

VAR has a chance to improve and will always look at ways to do that.
One man chasing around 22 cheating diving players at the speed of knots couldn’t. It’s why we are where we are.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Because subjective decisions can now be easily manipulated.

But before VAR it didn’t even need to be subjective !!!

if the ‘powers’ tell the ref to give Man Utd loads of penalty’s then the ref could literally give one every time a Man U player goes to ground in the box.

Just a simple point to the spot.
no need for replays. No need to check. Nothing.

Pre VAR a ref could give Man U a penalty whenever he felt like it. Far far easier to be corrupt.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

From the time.

It was definitely considered handball at the time by a lot of people. The Champions League was always harsher than the Premier League on handball. I remember Otamendi (amongst others) giving away a penalty when his back was turned because it hit his elbow, which would never have been given in the PL at the time. Hell, didn't Liverpool get a penalty in the final because Mane chipped it onto the defenders arm? The Llorente one was a deliberate decision to not show the referee the angle that showed the infringement, and that's the issue more than whether it was a penalty or not.

Now personally, I'd be happy with that to be a goal, as long as the rules are the same for everyone, and as long as it's the same at the other end for defenders too.

Thanks for that. I'm not arguing that some thought that it was handball - I thought it was okay myself.

My boss is a Liverpool fan and he thought Mane's chip at the arm was blatant in its intent when I asked him.

As you say, consistency is the most important thing - keeping track of what the law is for which incident is tricky.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

But before VAR it didn’t even need to be subjective !!!

if the ‘powers’ tell the ref to give Man Utd loads of penalty’s then the ref could literally give one every time a Man U player goes to ground in the box.

Just a simple point to the spot.
no need for replays. No need to check. Nothing.

Pre VAR a ref could give Man U a penalty whenever he felt like it. Far far easier to be corrupt.

VAR gives the pretence of being legitimate as decisions can be 'independently checked' and therefore no longer subjective.

We all know this is bullsh*t.

 

[Gray]

Wasn’t VAR supposed to rid football of bad decisions made by the on field officials? If so why are they still getting so much wrong, including that assault on Bernado by a Leeds thug.

 

[Bill the Blue]

why the need for VAR to award Man U more pens ? Every corner they get the Ref could just point to the spot when the ball comes in , he could just say he spotted a shove somewhere. Surely that’s far more easier than the hassle of VAR ?

Clueless..!

You've nailed your colours to the VAR mast and are not man enough to admit you've backed the wrong horse..

Every post you put on here is pulled apart, it's a bit sad really..!

 

[bluetonium]

Do they still a announce how many decisions var got wrong, or are they not doing that this season?

I have the handball and Bernardo challenge from the last game in mind in particular, they both seemed pretty obviously wrong. Certainty the challenge if that isn't a red then I no longer know the rules of the game, surely it should be highlighted as an example of when an official should be encouraged to go to the monitor?

 

[Gazza]

There's two different arguments going on here;-
1. The use of VAR
2. The implementation/interpretation of VAR

VAR slows the game down but could be very good if used in the right hands which leads on to point 2.
VAR has just put another level of human error in between the incident and the making of the decision.

 

[Gazza]

Do they still a announce how many decisions var got wrong, or are they not doing that this season?

I have the handball and Bernardo challenge from the last game in mind in particular, they both seemed pretty obviously wrong. Certainty the challenge if that isn't a red then I no longer know the rules of the game, surely it should be highlighted as an example of when an official should be encouraged to go to the monitor?

Dermots just checked and says they're all fine.

 

[bondsman]

But before VAR it didn’t even need to be subjective !!!

if the ‘powers’ tell the ref to give Man Utd loads of penalty’s then the ref could literally give one every time a Man U player goes to ground in the box.

Just a simple point to the spot.
no need for replays. No need to check. Nothing.

Pre VAR a ref could give Man U a penalty whenever he felt like it. Far far easier to be corrupt.

VAR allows you to control goals. A ref on his own can’t. Also no one is saying VAR is shit because it’s used against City. They’re saying it’s shit full stop. You are proving the point re: Var being a waste of time because as you say ultimately VAR or no VAR the decisions are made by a human, it therefore doesn’t rule out error by definition. What it creates is a means for greater corruption