Well, we had neither of those options yesterday.I’ll happily see it scrapped now to be honest, the constant moaning and ‘it’s killing the game’ is tedious- just deep down I’d prefer some sort of system in place for a Ref to have a chance to see if he’s implemented the right decision and not been forced into making a split second choice.
what would you prefer -
A) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty.
or
B) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty. Had a quick look on monitor, realises he made the wrong choice and reverses the decision.
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This is aimed at you because you are:Are you not more Angry at Man City and Pep Guardiola for voting in favour for VAR to the PL ? Is Pep a c*nt for wanting it ?
what have I actually done wrong. I don’t work for FIFA or the FA and have never had a say whether or not it can be introduced, I’m just someone on a forum that try’s to have a balanced debate about VAR without resorting to pathetic abuse.
to answer your point. On diving. I think clear dives with zero contact has dramatically decreased, loads in fact. There has been a few given this season and that Martial one is farcical, I’m not going to defend that at all. That’s not on me neither all the future controversy that will always happen. I would love a system in place that can eradicate diving all together - I don’t think it’s possible as so much of it is based on perception and it’s why you have so many pundits and fans argue whether it is or not.
if there was no VAR and a ref gives a penalty for a blatant dive , should I get angry and abusive at you and say ‘if we had VAR a ref wouldn’t have given the penalty’ . It works both ways.
No system is ever going to be perfect. So you can live in a world of anger and moan and moan at every decision or you can try and embrace change and give a balanced perspective of what can improve.
An improvement for me would be to put Mason + Dean on trial to answer for there ridiculous decisions of late ! Even aided by the help of clear replays they come to those conclusions.
I totally understand the frustration and concerns of VAR, I’m not a massive fan or advocate and it does take something out the game. Why I have to repeat this over and over I’m not sure.
but I don’t want it scraped. I don’t want refs making blind decisions and getting far more ludicrous decisions incorrect. Sorry I have that view and that makes me a c*nt.
VAR is being used all over the world now, it seems to be progressing in other countries and has it reduced attendances and the love of the game ? For you it has which is a shame. For many others it hasn’t at all.
but I agree with the vast majority outside of this forum that law changes to the game and better officiating can make VAR really improve the game. Ultimately that’s what most want.
Can I have some of your meds please.
You give 2 choices but neither happened. The third choice is Salah dives the gives it but reviews it on the monitor and then books the cheat for diving. There is no point in having VAR if they agree with the ref in virtually every instance.
Why was the offside goal ruled out? Instead of the usual 2 minutes of lines and movement I get to see, I had one replay.
It is corrupt
This is aimed at you because you are:
The biggest advocate and excuser
Not a Blue on a City Forum
Not a football fan
Angry is the right word for me.
I am a serious person in a serious high powered job with plenty of tragedy in my life.
I have been on this planet just short of 60 years. The only consistent thing in my life has been my love of football and particularly City. It is also my one area of life I can be stupid and let go. That is what football is. Emotion. Not maths. Not A computer game.
I was there May 13th 2012. All the years of hurt, injustices, battered hopes rolled up into that one match. That one instance. The release, the joy, the shared exaltation was immense. I wept, cried like a baby, fell to my knees. Along with 47000 others. That is football. That is what it is for. I should have felt some of that feeling yesterday each time we scored. But no. I waited for VAR to check.
So I will say to all of you on here, and any City fan, take away the magic of 93:20 by 'checking the goal on VAR and you are not a football fan.
It has not removed diving and Offsides are still dubious due to which frame is picked. And yes it is part of and re-enforced corrupt and inconsistent officiating. But,bi just want my goal celebrations back. I need that adrenalin in my life. Without it all I can do is turn on those who have ripped the heart of the game and as an enabler, you are guilty as charged.
players are very cunning agreed, but I just can't see how that was a penalty on Salah yesterday. Seasoned professional officials with as many angles and replay speeds somehow saw that a penalty. Until Salah is booked etc then they will carry on.In reality the dive with zero contact will not result in a penalty 99% of time thanks to VAR. before VAR refs were giving penalty’s for blatant dives all the time.
now I know the art is changing, players are so clever and make sure they make contact before going down so on replays it looks worse. This is something VAR has to take into account and improve.
or we just scrap it and go back to letting players dive and win pens and have loads more Martial type penalty’s given than we do now.
players are very cunning agreed, but I just can't see how that was a penalty on Salah yesterday. Seasoned professional officials with as many angles and replay speeds somehow saw that a penalty. Until Salah is booked etc then they will carry on.
With all the camera angles of that dive yesterday and VAR still didn't overturn the referee, then the game is gone. No way that fleeting contact from Dias was anywhere near enough to knock Salah even slightly off balance, let alone starfish in mid-air and fall on his face. Anyone who's ever played a contact sport at any level knows this. It's laughable.In reality the dive with zero contact will not result in a penalty 99% of time thanks to VAR. before VAR refs were giving penalty’s for blatant dives all the time.
now I know the art is changing, players are so clever and make sure they make contact before going down so on replays it looks worse. This is something VAR has to take into account and improve.
or we just scrap it and go back to letting players dive and win pens and have loads more Martial type penalty’s given than we do now.
This is aimed at you because you are:
1. The biggest advocate and excuser
2. Not a Blue on a City Forum
3 Not a football fan
Ref point 3... football fan - yes, certifiable - clearly ;)1. Not really, I give pro’s and cons. Seems you will only listen to the cons and anyone trying to give a bit of balance is a c*nt.
2. Irrelevant to a debate about VAR
3. Hammers season ticket holder for over 25 years. Clearly not a football fan.
With all the camera angles of that dive yesterday and VAR still didn't overturn the referee, then the game is gone. No way that fleeting contact from Dias was anywhere near enough to knock Salah even slightly off balance, let alone starfish in mid-air and fall on his face. Anyone who's ever played a contact sport at any level knows this. It's laughable.
Until the FA get going on divers there is absolutely no disadvantage to taking a fall in the modern game. Maybe a yellow card, but if you've endured there was contact by knocking feet together or grabbing each other, the chances are more likely, or at least equivalent, you'll get a penalty. Could have seen Dias sent off yesterday if he was interpreted as last man if stones wasn't covering.
All for a dive. That's how much it is distorting the game. Warn of post game bans for divers and the contact stops, or at least reduces. Liverpool without Salah and / or Mane for a few games and they'd soon stop.
I would keep it, but only IF they use it to review incidents objectively, AND overturn referee's if they have made a mistake, because they need to do away with this pointless (and subjective) 'clear and obvious error'.agree. what is the solution ? do we scrap VAR so them same penalty's can continue to be given ? or do we live in hope that we get better refs who can see a replay of players diving like that and actually book them and not give a pen.
You know what I would prefer, a system like on RU where the refs are miked, you can hear every word between them and the video refs. Seems to work, is transparent and looks fair.I’ll happily see it scrapped now to be honest, the constant moaning and ‘it’s killing the game’ is tedious- just deep down I’d prefer some sort of system in place for a Ref to have a chance to see if he’s implemented the right decision and not been forced into making a split second choice.
what would you prefer -
A) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty.
or
B) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty. Had a quick look on monitor, realises he made the wrong choice and reverses the decision.
...
Mate, serious comment. I like you had stopped celebrating but over the last season I am getting far better at identifying those goals that are clearcut and those where there might be something to review. Yesterday I was able to celebrate in the moment every one of our allowed goals. I still get the odd one wrong where I don't celebrate and it turns out to be a perfectly good goal but compared to how it was when first introduced, far better.This is aimed at you because you are:
The biggest advocate and excuser
Not a Blue on a City Forum
Not a football fan
Angry is the right word for me.
I am a serious person in a serious high powered job with plenty of tragedy in my life.
I have been on this planet just short of 60 years. The only consistent thing in my life has been my love of football and particularly City. It is also my one area of life I can be stupid and let go. That is what football is. Emotion. Not maths. Not A computer game.
I was there May 13th 2012. All the years of hurt, injustices, battered hopes rolled up into that one match. That one instance. The release, the joy, the shared exaltation was immense. I wept, cried like a baby, fell to my knees. Along with 47000 others. That is football. That is what it is for. I should have felt some of that feeling yesterday each time we scored. But no. I waited for VAR to check.
So I will say to all of you on here, and any City fan, take away the magic of 93:20 by 'checking the goal on VAR and you are not a football fan.
It has not removed diving and Offsides are still dubious due to which frame is picked. And yes it is part of and re-enforced corrupt and inconsistent officiating. But,bi just want my goal celebrations back. I need that adrenalin in my life. Without it all I can do is turn on those who have ripped the heart of the game and as an enabler, you are guilty as charged.
I would keep it, but only IF they use it to review incidents objectively, AND overturn referee's if they have made a mistake, because they need to do away with this pointless (and subjective) 'clear and obvious error'.
How many 'clear and obvious errors' (not counting offside) do you remember from before VAR that you didn't think were bent? I'd argue single figures over a 25 year period, but since the implementation of VAR, how many incorrect decisions have you seen that haven't been overturned because of the 'clear and obvious' bollocks? Were probably at double figures for the last 3 months.
I'd argue in it's current guise, VAR has made the game worse.
It does, doesn't it?I am still wondering why those VAR reviews, and lines, only seem to get used sporadically.
And they rarely get used. If ever at Klanfield.
There is zero consistency.
Feels so bent.
There were many on here that felt Dias "touching" Salah arm was a nailed on penalty.
I didn't.
There should have been a VAR review of what i felt in game, was a contentious penalty.
Are we now saying that any player contacting an opposition player with his arm in the Box is a nailed on penalty. if said player goes down as theatrically as Salah did, then a penalty should be given.
We see that kind of contact in every game, players using their arms to inhibit each others progress.
Be it linking of arms in the Box, embracing, or obstructing each other with an arm across the Chest.
I thought it was a ridiculous decision by the referee.
Laughable how they make it up as they go along.
You get to see a penalty awarded one week to Salah because his arm was barely touched causing him to lose function of all 4 limbs ,and grimace like he had been shot by Sniper.Before theatrically falling to the ground.
After ;last week seeing Jesus impeded from behind by a kick to the back of the Leg in the box resulting in no penalty.
VAR is culpable for the inconsistency, with them selectively deciding when there should be a VAR intervention. Which seems to be non existent depending on who is playing.