see I thought the decisions were correct, but Saints have been fucked in recent weeks for whatever reason. The one that irks me was Sheff Utd because that was pretty much identical to the one we got against Villa the week before and we didn't get a pen.Handball decisions in Saints vs Wolves, oth wrong Saints no penalty , Wolves was a penalty all day long, how is he not controlling the ball or gaining an advantage? Same officials, same game, different interpretations, gross incompetence or bent - one or the other take yer pick
In those instances it's pretty nigh impossible, even with hawk-eyed VAR wallahs in the whelk shed, part of the player is inside, part on the line and part outside. Most of him is outside but where and when does he get fouled? The whole thing is a fuckin' lottery which MANUre seem to have cornered the market in winning raffle tickets. It's just dawned on Klippity that MANUre have had more pens in two seasons than the Dippers have had in five, despite the gymnastics from Salah and Mané! If Klopp is concerned about pens per season he ought to look at how many per season EFC were chalking up - wasn't it running at something just over one?So 2 out of 3 pundits thought this challenge was inside the box? Am I missing something?
I believe diving is worse now.
The issue is the impact VAR is having on refs decision making. They know mistakes can be reviewed via VAR so they are opting for the easy option. Player goes down, give a penalty. VAR says some contact therefore not clear and obvious mistake. Players therefore are trying their luck more.
What VAR (and fans for that matter) cannot judge but a live ref used to judge, is the degree and severity of any contact made at reall world speed and with the intimacy of close proxity including sound. This has now been lost. Refs, especially against the media focus clubs know that if they don't give a pen and VAR show contact then they are mince meat for days after.
Do not under estimate the impact VAR is having on Refs (or Lino) decision making. It is huge. We cannot for sure compare if decisions now would have been made the same way without VAR.
And you say you are not a WUM but you lead with those opening 2 lines.you’re in majority in the real world that favour Var but want it improved.
some on here will make out that you are a WUM c*nt that’s ruined the game for having that view
But Leicester would of had a penalty as Taylor pointed to the spotIf no VAR this weekend then Liverpool dont concede their first against Leicester and possibly dont loose that game. And the rags get an undeserved penalty yesterday at West Brom and most likely win that game.
VAR is far from perfect (because of the corrupt officials) but this weekends games yet again gave clear examples of how those 2 sides are generally referee’d and without VAR the unchecked refs would have been able to improve both of the cartels results. Im 100% with you about it not bring used properly and should be totally transparent!! But its better than the old system where the refs were left to take the piss. Which they did regularly....
Thankfully VAR stopped that happening!
But that doesn't fit his argument that var is wonderful and we are all wrong.Don't be a dick. Without VAR Leicester would have had a penalty instead of a free kick.
Yes but it all stems from the 'contact' issue. The whole 'there was contact so he has every right to go down' arguement is where the penalty situation has gone too far. Take Salah last week. He knows with the contact he can go down. If he knows that the tap on his shoulder alone isn't enough to win a penalty then (eventually) he will learn not to go down and everything will go full circle again. For a team to have a free shot from 12 yards out it should be for something significant.Agreed, it's become ridiculous now, most people who have even a small amount of knowledge of the game know whether a defender has tried to foul/stop a player, or whether a player has 'engineered' a situation or deliberately tried to initiate contact, what worries me most, is that the officials don't seem to realise this, it's almost like they've never played or watched the game and are reading from a "how to referee" manual !
Yes that is correct, the problem is VAR did not disallow it for the correct reason. Are they actually doing anything at Stockley Park - would we know if they had had a powercut, gone to brew up, had a fire drill? We never see them, hear them or have them interviewed after the game. They are unaccountable to us the paying public and frankly that stinks.you know Man U would normally have been awarded a penalty for diving yesterday ? Without VAR.
And you say you are not a WUM but you lead with those opening 2 lines.
I didn't read that as his argument mate. He isn't a wum either. Pretty descent poster imo.But that doesn't fit his argument that var is wonderful and we are all wrong.
But that doesn't fit his argument that var is wonderful and we are all wrong.
If you look back at some of those 'Martial type' penalties, then by the letter of the law they should have been given as obstruction against Martial for impeding the defender as he plays the ball forward (not within playing distance) steps across defenders path and then puts on the brakes and goes down in a heap when the inevitable collision occurs.In reality the dive with zero contact will not result in a penalty 99% of time thanks to VAR. before VAR refs were giving penalty’s for blatant dives all the time.
now I know the art is changing, players are so clever and make sure they make contact before going down so on replays it looks worse. This is something VAR has to take into account and improve.
or we just scrap it and go back to letting players dive and win pens and have loads more Martial type penalty’s given than we do now.
If you look back at some of those 'Martial type' penalties, then by the letter of the law they should have been given as obstruction against Martial for impeding the defender as he plays the ball forward (not within playing distance) steps across defenders path and then puts on the brakes and goes down in a heap when the inevitable collision occurs.
With or without VAR it's weak officiating.
What I do find very strange is that there are 2 real worlds, yours and the one that the rest of us live in. Despite your alleged belief that the majority of the people reside in yours, they don't.I think i have a right to say that, i like that poster want VAR but want it to be improved. i don't think for having that view makes me supportive of killing the game and being a c*nt.
I didn't see the game, but without VAR the penalty would have been given to Man U right ? regardless of it being offside.
How are the officials who operate it getting everything so wrong week after week?
firstly, there's no mention here of how many they get right - there has been hundreds of decisions which the refs would have normally got wrong, but checking VAR they realise player was offside or there was actually a foul.
this all goes very quiet.
however, there are still to many times where officials have checked and still got it wrong - Dean/Mason last week, they have been absolutely slaughtered, and they don't have a excuse of not seeing it again. I think there would have been less uproar without VAR because we got so accustomed to bad decisions.
No system is going to be 100% perfect, i really have to repeat that, otherwise we can all point at decisions and say 'explain that then ?!' and it will go on forever, but just because a system isn't 100% perfect, it can still be a better alternative to before.
I am just as angry as anyone when refs fuck up and more so with the benefit of VAR. refs need better training and more transparency, a lot of good suggestions, ie: refs being miked up. could be a solution.
And you say you are not a WUM but you lead with those opening 2 lines.
Was VAR working at West Brom?
Why didn't they look at the offside first?
How are the officials who operate it getting everything so wrong week after week?
The letter of the law covers it. It's just that the officials are too weak to enforce the law.definitely, the letter of the law needs changing if players can dive like that and win pens.
yes, that was what I was trying to remember, it's a bullshit rule if indeed that is the logic. He's gained an advantage and it's no different to Rodri being in an advantageous position and taking advantage so we should get a rule change by Tuesday if fair's fair.I not 100% sure on the rule but when does Maguire become offside by the letter of the law?
Is it when he touches the ball or attempts to play the ball? If so, the contact on him is before the ball is near him. Maybe that’s why the offside wasn’t looked at.
I remember Dinho giving away a similar penalty in the CL.
yes, that was what I was trying to remember, it's a bullshit rule if indeed that is the logic. He's gained an advantage and it's no different to Rodri being in an advantageous position and taking advantage so we should get a rule change by Tuesday if fair's fair.