VAR - 2020/21

[BlueHammer85]

up to a foot.

and when a player is a foot and one centimetre offside. The same arguments will happen

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

up to a foot.

A foot is about right if the equipment has a margin of error of around 30cms. That is probably about where you can see "clear daylight" If they did this most decisions would be correct. The line-drawing farce is subject to human error. Another way would be just to take the position on the line of the front foot. This debate about shirt sleeves and arm position is just absurd.

 

[wattle]

and when a player is a foot and one centimetre offside. The same arguments will happen

No they wouldn’t. I foot and one inch is clear and obvious. An inch isn’t.

 

[Akpowell]

A foot is about right if the equipment has a margin of error of around 30cms. That is probably about where you can see "clear daylight" If they did this most decisions would be correct. The line-drawing farce is subject to human error. Another way would be just to take the position on the line of the front foot. This debate about shirt sleeves and arm position is just absurd.

Agree it should only be any part of the leg, the toe to the knee

 

[BlueHammer85]

No they wouldn’t. I foot and one inch is clear and obvious. An inch isn’t.

fair argument. I would go along with that.

 

[Lee won pen]

The technology is not the problem imho. The problem is that the offside rule is no longer fit for purpose in a “VAR world”
I would change it so that if any part of the attacker‘s leading foot is level with any part of the last defender’s foot, then the attacker is onside.

Not withstanding that, the decision in the West Ham game was ludicrous. The correct decision was either to allow the goal to stand or award Villa a penalty.(imho)

 

[manimanc]

Tonight was an absolute farce. How else is a player supposed to run?
Over thinking yet again. Keep it simple, just go off the feet. Forget ear lobes, nostril hair and toe nails, keep it to one part of the body, years ago it went off your feet, you could lean forward and lever yourself as long as your feet wasn't offside.
Then you are only looking at one part of the body instead of looking at elbows and hands. It's ridiculous saying your arm is offside as you can't score with your arm, just have it where the attackers feet are planted, job done, simple enough, you score with your feet, end of story.
No need to get the crayons out and have different thickness of lines.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

how many inches should they allow a player to be offside ?

I've got no solutions that involve offside and VAR pal; people point to changing the rule for offside but whatever this new interpretation is (level/clear daylight/etc) we'll simple be in exactly the same position as we are now with PiGMOL pointing to examples where an attacker's trailing bootlace is still level with the stud on the outstretched leg of the defender so he's onside (exactly the same arguments as now just shunted forward a bit); the issue is, as somebody else has already said, the technology simply isn't up to the task (frame rate of camera vs speed of players run) to be accurate to the degree that they're implementing.

There is NO solution for offsides as far as "accurate to the mm" and VAR are concerned.

I'd say, leave the officials to do their jobs as they did before, let them officiate the match (both the refs and the linesmen), give them back full responsibility for decisions BUT with the additional tool of Video replays for all goals to check to see if an obvious error has been made.
If it takes longer than one or two replays,
if they need to zoom in,
if they need to draw silly little lines,
then it's ONSIDE,
if you can see without these elements,
then it's OFFSIDE.

It's not perfect and it's still open to debate but sport can't really be perfect, it's not maths.

We were sold a pup. We were sold "clear and obvious" but that's apparently open to interpretation now too.
Was Jesus clearly and obviously offside when he got our 6th on Saturday?
Was Salah clearly and obviously offside at the weekend?
Did Jesus clearly and obviously handle it when we "equalised" against Spurs?

(These are rhetorical questions and I don't really care for your interpretation of each of these cases.)

These "errors" that VAR are now finding are NOT what the game was being ruined by. NOBODY was moaning about these sorts of decisions. What people wanted were the blatant handball goals, the "he was yards offside" goals, the off the ball elbows, the diving for pens, the feigning of injuries when there was little or no contact, the keepers handling the ball outside the area, the ball going out of play but play continues, ...etc...etc...

...the OBVIOUS errors that the officials missed, but these things are still occurring, regularly, whilst some cock in a box looks to see if a bloke's nostril hairs are offside. It's bollocks, it's being implemented to check to see if the wrong rules have been broken.

 

[adam.marrett]

It's a farce. How the Premier League cocked it up so badly without corruption being the route cause of that is beyond comprehension.

They've fucked the offside rule, it was a simple rule many moons ago, you got the odd howler but they tended to even out over a season, now it's being judged cause a players hand was offside, which also depends what frame was used by the VAR official. It's to easily manipulated to give them the result they want.

Handball is even worse, someone changed that rule and made it utterly confusing, when for over 100 years it was fine. But they even miss those and blatant one's, Liverpool get away with it in their box almost every fortnight.

Villa got absolutely robbed this morning, it's not offside and it's a clear penalty before that had occurred, yet the moron missed that as well.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Just seen the incident involving Watkins,wow.......the plums responsible for making the decision really couldn't have got it any more wrong.

The goal should have stood,or a penalty awarded,as the West ham lad was all over him.Instead,somehow,they (eventually) managed to find his fingernails offside.

Fucking farcical.