VAR - 2020/21

[ChicagoBlue]

Yes that is correct, the problem is VAR did not disallow it for the correct reason. Are they actually doing anything at Stockley Park - would we know if they had had a powercut, gone to brew up, had a fire drill? We never see them, hear them or have them interviewed after the game. They are unaccountable to us the paying public and frankly that stinks.

The media should be allowed to request explanations of key decisions in the game. EVERYONE should be accountable.

And, I’m in favor of having their mikes recorded and even live! Watched Fulham game the other week, where Soucek was sent off for the elbow to the face. Mike Dean is the ref and Scott Parker is walking off the field talking to him. Dean take the earpiece out and grabs the mike in his hand on his chest so the conversation can’t even be heard by the other refs!!

If Dean is saying something to Parker that he doesn’t want people to hear, that’s when it SHOULD BE HEARD!!!

On ESPN, there’s a 10-15min documentary film about a ref doing a game in Switzerland. You hear what he is saying to the other officials, getting help from them, telling them things, and even talking to the players. It’s a great little documentary and it should be the norm. In fact, in the era of global TV and the ability to pick streams, I’d rather have a stream WITHOUT COMMENTATORS (who seem to believe we are all looking for verbal diarrhea!) and the officials talking, both to each other and to players.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Yes that is correct, the problem is VAR did not disallow it for the correct reason. Are they actually doing anything at Stockley Park - would we know if they had had a powercut, gone to brew up, had a fire drill? We never see them, hear them or have them interviewed after the game. They are unaccountable to us the paying public and frankly that stinks.

I imagine that the offside probably wasn't working properly so they had to cover it up by overturning it for the non-foul once they realised they would get called out if they allowed it to stand. That's my theory anyway.

 

[aguero93:20]

The media should be allowed to request explanations of key decisions in the game. EVERYONE should be accountable.

And, I’m in favor of having their mikes recorded and even live! Watched Fulham game the other week, where Soucek was sent off for the elbow to the face. Mike Dean is the ref and Scott Parker is walking off the field talking to him. Dean take the earpiece out and grabs the mike in his hand on his chest so the conversation can’t even be heard by the other refs!!

If Dean is saying something to Parker that he doesn’t want people to hear, that’s when it SHOULD BE HEARD!!!

On ESPN, there’s a 10-15min documentary film about a ref doing a game in Switzerland. You hear what he is saying to the other officials, getting help from them, telling them things, and even talking to the players. It’s a great little documentary and it should be the norm. In fact, in the era of global TV and the ability to pick streams, I’d rather have a stream WITHOUT COMMENTATORS (who seem to believe we are all looking for verbal diarrhea!) and the officials talking, both to each other and to players.

Don't see the point of in game commentators for televised sport anyway, it's just an outdated concept carried over from radio broadcast. At the very least they should get rid of the 'colour commentator' more than half the time the shite they're talking has nothing to do with the teams playing never mind what's going on in the game.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

you’re in majority in the real world that favour Var but want it improved.

some on here will make out that you are a WUM c*nt that’s ruined the game for having that view

Are you misrepresenting opinion poll data again @bluehammer? Here is a ComRes one from December

 

[iceman]

So no Var if a player punches another player in the face or stamps on him behind the refs back , Let that go unpunished?

No obviously use it for that? I'm talking about looking back over play to see if you can allow a goal or not for an armpit offside which is spoiling the thing which makes football great that is celebrating a goal when the ball hits the net yes?

 

[aguero93:20]

Are you misrepresenting opinion poll data again @bluehammer? Here is a ComRes one from December

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How much of that is to do with how it's being implemented though?
Imo if it went back to basics and only corrected clear and obvious offside errors and refereeing howlers with the officials miced up you'd get a much different result on that poll.

 

[KentBlue]

It's the veil of secrecy that pisses most supporters off. If these officials are never called to account for their actions on the field they will continue doing whatever they want without repercussions.
It is an absolutely bizarre situation: a club might need a draw on the last day of the season to avoid relegation, and thus lose the kudos and the gate money from playing in the Premier league. Then at 0-0 in the 96th minute the ref can spot an infringement that nobody else sees and give a penalty against the team needing the point. Game ends 1-0 and a club is relegated. Less money coming in for them, staff being let go, cut-backs all round - and all this because of one man's decision. One man who had an entire football club's destiny in his hands gave a penalty that no one else saw, and sent one club down to the lower leagues. That man then walks off the pitch and is never ever asked about the incident again. Never forced to say why he gave the penalty. And it will go to his grave with him: nobody will ever know because of this veil of secrecy that I mentioned before.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

How much of that is to do with how it's being implemented though?
Imo if it went back to basics and only corrected clear and obvious offside errors and refereeing howlers with the officials miced up you'd get a much different result on that poll.

It’s been running nearly 2 years now. There isn’t sign of any reform either is there? It’s terrible and saying it will get better sounds like blind hope to me. Also (not you mate) pretending that most people are fine with it is highly disingenuous

 

[aguero93:20]

It’s been running nearly 2 years now. There isn’t sign of any reform either is there? It’s terrible and saying it will get better sounds like blind hope to me. Also (not you mate) pretending that most people are fine with it is highly disingenuous

I'm not saying people are fine with it and I'm not saying I've any faith in it changing (unless it's IFAB mandated). I'm saying VAR isn't the issue, the implementation is.

 

[metalblue]

Are you misrepresenting opinion poll data again @bluehammer? Here is a ComRes one from December

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I wonder what those numbers would look like if they asked only match going fans. It’s killed the match day for me, I’d rather have the honest mistakes than this shit show.

It needs a radical overhaul. Maybe only have the captains ask for an incident to be reviewed and they are allowed only a couple or so “challenges” per game would help? That way when your player says never touched the **** and he went down like a sack you can have it reviewed. Otherwise you end up with this farce where someone’s finger was offside.

 

[edinburgh123]

What I do find very strange is that there are 2 real worlds, yours and the one that the rest of us live in. Despite your alleged belief that the majority of the people reside in yours, they don't.
VAR as a piece of equipment is not technically good enough to calculate when a player kicks the ball AND where abouts another player, further forward is. It is then left to clowns to make a decision.

So easy to fix though. Take 2 freeze frames. The one where contact with the ball has NOT been made and the very next one where contact has for the first time. The logic being the 'actual' point of contact must be somewhere between the two or actually literally at the second frame. You have to be offside on BOTH of the frames for offside to be given. Therefore going back (albeit slightly) to the forward getting the benefit of the doubt.

 

[aguero93:20]

Shrek wants VAR scrapped and the referee allowed to officiate the game. Funny that, he never seemed keen on letting them do that when he was playing.

 

[deegee33]

I'm not saying people are fine with it and I'm not saying I've any faith in it changing (unless it's IFAB mandated). I'm saying VAR isn't the issue, the implementation is.

Smart phone................Stupid user.

 

[tommy116]

Still looking for something on the Stones disallowed goal, was it ever looked at?

 

[stonerblue]

I think i have a right to say that, i like that poster want VAR but want it to be improved. i don't think for having that view makes me supportive of killing the game and being a c*nt.

I didn't see the game, but without VAR the penalty would have been given to Man U right ? regardless of it being offside.


How are the officials who operate it getting everything so wrong week after week?

firstly, there's no mention here of how many they get right - there has been hundreds of decisions which the refs would have normally got wrong, but checking VAR they realise player was offside or there was actually a foul.
this all goes very quiet.

however, there are still to many times where officials have checked and still got it wrong - Dean/Mason last week, they have been absolutely slaughtered, and they don't have a excuse of not seeing it again. I think there would have been less uproar without VAR because we got so accustomed to bad decisions.

No system is going to be 100% perfect, i really have to repeat that, otherwise we can all point at decisions and say 'explain that then ?!' and it will go on forever, but just because a system isn't 100% perfect, it can still be a better alternative to before.

I am just as angry as anyone when refs fuck up and more so with the benefit of VAR. refs need better training and more transparency, a lot of good suggestions, ie: refs being miked up. could be a solution.

Whilst i disagree completely with your views on var theres no need for posters to get personal with you. Bang out of order.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Still looking for something on the Stones disallowed goal, was it ever looked at?

It's in the same file as the Salah goal against us from last season. Find one you will find the other...

 

[Blue Mist]

Whilst i disagree completely with your views on var theres no need for posters to get personal with you. Bang out of order.

@stonerblue if he had not started the childish posts most others would not have replied with the same. Also, had he not peddled lies about the vast majority of people wanting it, most would have left it as a personal opinion by him. The team he supports does not matter, his opinion is as good as anyone's, it is the way he puts it over the annoys posters.

 

[stonerblue]

@stonerblue if he had not started the childish posts most others would not have replied with the same. Also, had he not peddled lies about the vast majority of people wanting it, most would have left it as a personal opinion by him. The team he supports does not matter, his opinion is as good as anyone's, it is the way he puts it over the annoys posters.

His posts annoy the fuck out of me but i don't get personal with him.
Also not sure he's been 'childish' or at least i haven't seen it.

 

[Bluearmy]

But Leicester would of had a penalty as Taylor pointed to the spot

It was outside (just) the box! The decision was correct, which surely is the point of VAR!!

 

[Bluearmy]

So 2 out of 3 pundits thought this challenge was inside the box? Am I missing something?

No you are not, but the idiot pundits are. No idea how u can look at that and then say it was inside. Defies belief.....