VAR - 2020/21

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It should always be ruled by the body part that is in touch with the field of play.

If a player stops the ball touching the ground beyond the sideline before he or the ball touches the ground, outside of the pitch area, then the ball is still live and in play. But if a player has touched the ground beyond the line then it is a dead ball.

Use the same system for VAR and go by what is actually touching the grass, not the hair on the back of the fly that is on the armpit of the player involved.
 
Only one way to fix all this VAR shit with lines drawn to various parts of the arm ....

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OK, I've though about this a LOT.

It's clearly guesswork as to when the ball is played/touched (whether that is because of frame rate or frame manipulation is open to debate) and as such mathematically an error has been introduced at that point in the calculations, but because of this approximation as to when the ball is played an exact measurement CANNOT be made to the nearest mm if a player is offside or onside, it's mathematically impossible.

The laws indicate that the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacker.

So let's just forget all these ideas about new offside decisions being measured from where the feet/head etc are, as that's simply shifting the same flawed ideas of accuracy forward or backwards on the pitch, the same calculation errors will still occur and the same arguments will continue to blight the sport.

THE SIMPLE FIX IS THIS

...the VAR calculations with lines stay the same, freeze frame stays the same, BUT the way to fix it with the minimal introduction of new interpretations of laws etc. is that the line drawn for the defender is simply a thicker one (but still begins at the body part of the defender closest to the goal), and the line drawn for the attacker is a slimmer one (but still starts at the point on the attacker closest to the goal which he can use to score with), for arguments sake here, let's say the defender's line is 5x thicker than the attacker's line.

Tolerance has been introduced AND benefit of doubt has been given to the attacker.

If any part of the attacker's line falls behind or on the defender's line - ONSIDE.

If all of the attacker's line falls closer to the goal than the defender's line - OFFSIDE.

As others have also pointed out, for transparency the frames before and after need to be shown in the same level of detail as the one where the decision is made, but that's a secondary fix IMO.

It isn't by any means perfect and it's still open to a bit of PiGMol corruption regarding the choice of frame for when the decision is made, but it's the best I can come up with.

Assistant refs need to learn that it is NOT their job to flag for any tight offsides, as goals scored are scrutinised by VAR.

Thoughts? Are there any major flaws in my idea?
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
OK, I've though about this a LOT.

It's clearly guesswork as to when the ball is played/touched (whether that is because of frame rate or frame manipulation is open to debate) and as such mathematically an error has been introduced at that point in the calculations, but because of this approximation as to when the ball is played an exact measurement CANNOT be made to the nearest mm if a player is offside or onside, it's mathematically impossible.

The laws indicate that the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacker.

So let's just forget all these ideas about new offside decisions being measured from where the feet/head etc are, as that's simply shifting the same flawed ideas of accuracy forward or backwards on the pitch, the same calculation errors will still occur and the same arguments will continue to blight the sport.

THE SIMPLE FIX IS THIS

...the VAR calculations with lines stay the same, freeze frame stays the same, BUT the way to fix it with the minimal introduction of new interpretations of laws etc. is that the line drawn for the defender is simply a thicker one (but still begins at the body part of the defender closest to the goal), and the line drawn for the attacker is a slimmer one (but still starts at the point on the attacker closest to the goal which he can use to score with), for arguments sake here, let's say the defender's line is 5x thicker than the attacker's line.

Tolerance has been introduced AND benefit of doubt has been given to the attacker.

If any part of the attacker's line falls behind or on the defender's line - ONSIDE.

If all of the attacker's line falls closer to the goal than the defender's line - OFFSIDE.

As others have also pointed out, for transparency the frames before and after need to be shown in the same level of detail as the one where the decision is made, but that's a secondary fix IMO.

It isn't by any means perfect and it's still open to a bit of PiGMol corruption regarding the choice of frame for when the decision is made, but it's the best I can come up with.

Assistant refs need to learn that it is NOT their job to flag for any tight offsides, as goals scored are scrutinised by VAR.

Thoughts? Are there any major flaws in my idea?
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You say it's guesswork, but I'm willing to bet in many cases they aren't guessing. They could CHOOSE to display any frame between the first contact of the passing player with the ball to the last contact (just before their is daylight between foot/head and ball), and us viewers would be non-the-wiser. There is certainly no consistency between decisions IN THE SAME GAME, the alone between matches.

Until the technology can be improved (and I don't see them rushing to do so), then it WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN TO CORRUPTION unless there is an independent body bought in to oversee the PiGMOL.
 
Fernster said:
It should always be ruled by the body part that is in touch with the field of play.

If a player stops the ball touching the ground beyond the sideline before he or the ball touches the ground, outside of the pitch area, then the ball is still live and in play. But if a player has touched the ground beyond the line then it is a dead ball.

Use the same system for VAR and go by what is actually touching the grass, not the hair on the back of the fly that is on the armpit of the player involved.
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This is a sensible approach, but I would imagine that VAR will pontificate that one of ours is off as the stitching on his left boot is nearer the goal line than the defender's or the blade of grass stuck to his toe is nearer.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
You say it's guesswork, but I'm willing to bet in many cases they aren't guessing. They could CHOOSE to display any frame between the first contact of the passing player with the ball to the last contact (just before their is daylight between foot/head and ball), and us viewers would be non-the-wiser. There is certainly no consistency between decisions IN THE SAME GAME, the alone between matches.

Until the technology can be improved (and I don't see them rushing to do so), then it WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN TO CORRUPTION unless there is an independent body bought in to oversee the PiGMOL.
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You're correct, here's me trying to "fix" their wonky use of technology when deep down it's clear for all to see that it's already "fixed".
 
Sadly the rules of the game are being adjusted to suit VAR wishlist of a couple of teams.
In reality the current limited abilities and the even more limited abilities of those actually using it should dictate that it only be used where the ref/assistant has made a clear and obvious error.
In the world cup it worked very well as it was applied and the technology has not moved on enough to know if a players toe is offside.
It can tell if there has been a blatant foul/wrestling hold applied to a player, which the ref has for some reason failed to notice.
It can see if a keeper has obviously moved forward from his line before a penalty has been taken.
It can determine if the ref has booked the wrong player for an offence.
It can usually tell, if it were utilised honestly by those monitoring the screens, whether a player hitting the deck, had actually been fouled, or deserved a red card for simulation.
Lots of other things too.
Similarly, there is no way the same keystone cops brigade should be anywhere near it.
If they are, mic the lot of them up so the fans can hear everything.
Otherwise, give the rugby refs a rulebook to read and put them in. No more soft pens.
 
mat said:


And again. It's not fucking hard.
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Unless you’ve got something (like bias and ineptitude, plus the required God Complex) to hide!

Excellent snippet of how it should work, and would you look at that...a young, athletic ref getting told what the video is going to show him and the ref telling the VAR guy what he wants to see! Teamwork in action for a 10 second decision!!!

Too bad we didn’t get the Aussies for the CL Spurs game!!
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
Unless you’ve got something (like bias and ineptitude, plus the required God Complex) to hide!

Excellent snippet of how it should work, and would you look at that...a young, athletic ref getting told what the video is going to show him and the ref telling the VAR guy what he wants to see! Teamwork in action for a 10 second decision!!!

Too bad we didn’t get the Aussies for the CL Spurs game!!
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Corruption is the only reason I can think of for it not to be in place. Even more so when Reilly was briefing press it would take "a couple of years" for it to happen in the PL. Those years to teach his refs not to blow the charade.
 
I thought I had read after a few games at the start if the season that these silly offside by the width of a nose hair was being scrapped. It seems this wasnt the case.

They cant tell 100% when the pass is made yet guess someone is onside or off side by a mm. Its bonkers.

After laporte was ruled out sadly I didnt celebrate Citys next 3 goals because I was waiting for VAR.

I miss going to matches but seeing VAR again I might not go back , you havent a clue in the ground as to what is going on

I also thought it was for clear and obvious mistakes. Laporte wasnt clear and obvious nor was Chelsea last night.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Unless you’ve got something (like bias and ineptitude, plus the required God Complex) to hide!

Excellent snippet of how it should work, and would you look at that...a young, athletic ref getting told what the video is going to show him and the ref telling the VAR guy what he wants to see! Teamwork in action for a 10 second decision!!!

Too bad we didn’t get the Aussies for the CL Spurs game!!
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Watched that game live & whilst I agree with most of your comments, it took about 3 & half minutes to sort out.
 
mat said:
Corruption is the only reason I can think of for it not to be in place. Even more so when Reilly was briefing press it would take "a couple of years" for it to happen in the PL. Those years to teach his refs not to blow the charade.
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Corruption to favour Man U and Liverpool only ? they're doing a really shit job of it, if that's the case.

if they want to be corrupt to favour them, then it would make more sense to scrap VAR and just get Refs to give them penaltys, offside goals all the time without the need of VAR.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
Corruption to favour Man U and Liverpool only ? they're doing a really shit job of it, if that's the case.

if they want to be corrupt to favour them, then it would make more sense to scrap VAR and just get Refs to give them penaltys, offside goals all the time without the need of VAR.
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Suspect VAR decisions, including your own team, have been made this season.

Manipulation for certain outcomes is the only reason I can think of why ours aren't Microphoned up. Surely Sky/BT/Amazon would love that extra bit of info for their broadcasts as well?

Maybe our refs aren't bent, just stupid and act like old gossipers when they give their mate on the pitch a reason to look at VAR. All they need to do then is be reminded that they are on national TV whilst they reach the decision; Then we can all see why the decisions were made and understand them correctly.
 
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