VAR - 2020/21

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There’s a football supporters association agm on Friday with a motion on var and its negative impact being discussed looking to set up a working group with an action plan with specific actions and improvements to be implemented with consultation with the premier league network group, fsa affiliates associates and individual members
The target to deliver the action plan is no later than Easter 2021.
there is a good chance of it getting voted through
 
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King_Ralph_Blumer said:
I definitely wanted VAR to happen. The amount of penalties the scousers were winning because of the deficient balance system in their players was staggering, I thought it would show them up for the cheats that they are and they would get caught out.
Now it shows that the merest of contacts and they hit the deck, and because it is scrutinised to that level then they are deemed to be legitimate penalties.
It’s, ruined the game for me. They were shafted last week with that last minute pen against them but it’s definitely benefitted them in the main since it was introduced.

Likewise look at the World Cup , England clearly benefited by playing like Stoke International.
we were awful in that competition but got that many penalties because of VAR.
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Look at the pen on Raheem today. That should not be a penalty. It was the merest of contacts, not enough to floor him. I don't blame him for going down, I have seen him fouled in the box and stayed on his feet and nothing given but its a part of the game I really don't like.
You can travel all over Europe watching City , spend thousands of pounds and something as inconsequential as a slight tap on the leg brings the whole competition to an end. I don't blame the referees for that or even the players but its not good to watch.
 
Had an idea regarding VAR whilst watching it not be able decide if a ball had gone out of play, far too close to call; but player is offside by a toenail, 100% certain, so I suppose I'm wasting my time thinking about fair implementation and how to get VAR working £right". It's working just fine. Not a headbutt either, couldn't tell, looked like a dive to me.

Amyway,

The argument against VAR and tight offsides is the speed of player breaking defensive line vs frame speed, accuracy concerns. Frame speed, so the answer is...

Focus on the player who plays the ball and measure how many frames are we guessing from when we guess at when the "ball was played"? (using the Andy Grey analysis of VAR for Sterling's 3rd (?) against example)

1. When was contact made? Ping! Red line drawn.
2. When was contact terminated. Ping Yellow line.
Maybe have a 50 frame max set for this guess.

Then change focus and look at player who is possibly offside and decide, using these pre red, red, and then yellow coloured frames, how many of them is the player, clearly and obviously offside.
Bigger % onside than offside, goal!
Celebrated after lengthy statistical analysis.
All zoom functions allowed and final split of % shown on big screen for crowd to "cheer" or "boo" when it's a near 50-50 split, when permitted under government regulations. Imagine watching those ad breaks when long decisions are being made (video loop of incident shown in lower right corner of the screen for "authenticity" and "integrity")

OR

NO zoom, or multiple replays (30 seconds max), no lines.

If it looks "silly close" give the benefit back to the forward. Go with the line "he can hardly be deemed offside for a toe, can he?" rather than "his toe is clearly and obviously offside and yes, he's obviously seeking to gain an advantage by that" line.
But this way doesn't take into account any calculated tolerance, and we all know how subjectivity is loved by the makers and appliers of the laws of the game/money making scam.

Can of worms whichever way you look at it I reckon.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
Had an idea regarding VAR whilst watching it not be able decide if a ball had gone out of play, far too close to call; but player is offside by a toenail, 100% certain, so I suppose I'm wasting my time thinking about fair implementation and how to get VAR working £right". It's working just fine. Not a headbutt either, couldn't tell, looked like a dive to me.

Amyway,

The argument against VAR and tight offsides is the speed of player breaking defensive line vs frame speed, accuracy concerns. Frame speed, so the answer is...

Focus on the player who plays the ball and measure how many frames are we guessing from when we guess at when the "ball was played"? (using the Andy Grey analysis of VAR for Sterling's 3rd (?) against example)

1. When was contact made? Ping! Red line drawn.
2. When was contact terminated. Ping Yellow line.
Maybe have a 50 frame max set for this guess.

Then change focus and look at player who is possibly offside and decide, using these pre red, red, and then yellow coloured frames, how many of them is the player, clearly and obviously offside.
Bigger % onside than offside, goal!
Celebrated after lengthy statistical analysis.
All zoom functions allowed and final split of % shown on big screen for crowd to "cheer" or "boo" when it's a near 50-50 split, when permitted under government regulations. Imagine watching those ad breaks when long decisions are being made (video loop of incident shown in lower right corner of the screen for "authenticity" and "integrity")

OR

NO zoom, or multiple replays (30 seconds max), no lines.

If it looks "silly close" give the benefit back to the forward. Go with the line "he can hardly be deemed offside for a toe, can he?" rather than "his toe is clearly and obviously offside and yes, he's obviously seeking to gain an advantage by that" line.
But this way doesn't take into account any calculated tolerance, and we all know how subjectivity is loved by the makers and appliers of the laws of the game/money making scam.

Can of worms whichever way you look at it I reckon.
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I realise you're taking the piss but the premier league officials and Peter Walton would love this. They could blind every body with science and prove the earth is flat with this explanation.
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
I realise you're taking the piss but the premier league officials and Peter Walton would love this. They could blind every body with science and prove the earth is flat with this explanation.
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first bit I'm taking the piss, would be kinda funny IMO, second bit is what I thing VAR will merge into, subjectivity giving the teacher's pets an edge due to "subconscious bias".
 
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