Var debate 2019/20

[kippax4ever]

The ball hitting Llorente's hand wasn't shown to the on-field ref or the watching public during the VAR check.
It was only after the game was back underway that we were shown it, so you can't blame the ref.

Walton is painful and always appears to agree with the decision made by the on-field ref.

Even last night, Sissoko was obviously pointing for some attacker to be picked up behind him as he closes Mane down.
Mane from about 3 yards, kicks the ball at him and it hits his chest before bouncing against his arm.
It wasn't even goal bound, but VAR didn't overturn it.

Hoddle was trying to explain it, but was swimming against the tide and didn't stand a chance against that gang.

Walton saying his hand was in an 'un-natural position'?
It was bollocks, how was he supposed to point towards someone at the back post?

Anyway, my point is that all of those recent handball penalty decisions made by VAR in UEFA competitions, make it quite clear that although not a single one of them was deliberate, the ball hitting the hand is given as handball.

I presume there is only one set of rules in football, so with VAR coming to the Premier League next season, there should be loads more penalties awarded.

So, get your dough on whoever takes penalties for first scorer.

That is of course, unless PL refs are playing to a different set of rules!

Hmmm.....

The ball hitting Llorente's hand wasn't shown to the on-field ref or the watching public during the VAR check.
It was only after the game was back underway that we were shown it, so you can't blame the ref.
They did show it from behind the goal,before the ref went to view it,but didnt show him them views on them screen..

 

[pride in battle]

its nothing to do with var, its a rule change from uefa, which will be implemented by the prem next year

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47471380

Its still not conclusive, thats the trouble, one ref will give it another wont, at the end of the day it hits his chest then his arm, thats not a pen for me and even the new rules state its not a pen if it deflects off your body onto your arm ???

 

[lonestay]

I guess VAR is a case of careful what you wish for you might get it . Think we all wanted VAR to clear up the injustice type of decisions, but I don't think we realized that the way it's going to be used is going to take the emotion and excitement out of the game . The game !ast night was spoiled by that penalty decision so early, dippers could see the prize early and didn't care how they got to it ,spuds never got into their stride after it so the game never developed into a spectacle. So for the sake of being "correct" we had that as the show piece final a game that did nothing to advance the English game abroad but that's ok cos everything was deemed correct .

 

[blue b4 the moon]

My view too, then I read this

"But a handball will not be a free-kick if...

• the ball is knocked on to a hand by the player in question or a nearby player"

which surely means the Mane incident wasn't (or shouldn't have been) a penalty?

All depends which team....you know the score.

I'm fast coming to the conclusion that VAR & tweeks to rules are going to kill the game.

As someone else posted no need to shoot at goals with a pesky keeper in nets when you can aim at a hand or arm.

 

[tonea2003]

Its still not conclusive, thats the trouble, one ref will give it another wont, at the end of the day it hits his chest then his arm, thats not a pen for me and even the new rules state its not a pen if it deflects off your body onto your arm ???

i dont agree with the rule

but it was given because the rule says

handball will be given against a player if their arms extend "beyond a natural silhouette" - even if it is accidental.

 

[Sky Blue]

I guess VAR is a case of careful what you wish for you might get it . Think we all wanted VAR to clear up the injustice type of decisions, but I don't think we realized that the way it's going to be used is going to take the emotion and excitement out of the game . The game !ast night was spoiled by that penalty decision so early, dippers could see the prize early and didn't care how they got to it ,spuds never got into their stride after it so the game never developed into a spectacle. So for the sake of being "correct" we had that as the show piece final a game that did nothing to advance the English game abroad but that's ok cos everything was deemed correct .

I barely cheered Silva's goal in the Cup Final due to this VAR shite, same for the Jesus one 'til I was sure.

 

[hampshireblue]

The FA/UEFA could come out now and say that if the ball hits any other part of the body first then it won't be hand ball unless there is a deliberate move of the arm towards the ball after it has already hit the body. Not perfect but better than they are proposing at present

 

[Gordyola]

I guess VAR is a case of careful what you wish for you might get it . Think we all wanted VAR to clear up the injustice type of decisions, but I don't think we realized that the way it's going to be used is going to take the emotion and excitement out of the game . The game !ast night was spoiled by that penalty decision so early, dippers could see the prize early and didn't care how they got to it ,spuds never got into their stride after it so the game never developed into a spectacle. So for the sake of being "correct" we had that as the show piece final a game that did nothing to advance the English game abroad but that's ok cos everything was deemed correct .

Not defending VAR but had nothing to do with last night’s awful game Ref gave the pen and VAR saw it has correct More likely the biggest cause of the awful football was, two over hyped teams having a three week gap of no football

 

[burning blue soul]

ironic that as soon as these changes to hand ball rules were announced, we had people on here posting that, in future, games will be decided on which player is most accurate at aiming at an opponents arm to get a pen.

seems liverpool are ahead of the curve, implementing the tactic before the season has begun.

i wonder if attacking opponents coaches is now an allowed part of the game; again liverpool ahead of the curve. seems cheats do prosper!!

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

I guess VAR is a case of careful what you wish for you might get it . Think we all wanted VAR to clear up the injustice type of decisions, but I don't think we realized that the way it's going to be used is going to take the emotion and excitement out of the game . The game !ast night was spoiled by that penalty decision so early, dippers could see the prize early and didn't care how they got to it ,spuds never got into their stride after it so the game never developed into a spectacle. So for the sake of being "correct" we had that as the show piece final a game that did nothing to advance the English game abroad but that's ok cos everything was deemed correct .

It (VAR) should only be used for offsides. The rest is up to the ref. Offsides are a matter of fact - you can't be a bit pregnant. Goal-line technology and offsides only. Yes please.