Var debate 2019/20

Blue Mist said:
Well I visited him and he said he couldn't be sure either and he had seen it live, on the Sky match (recorded) and MOTD. I asked him for his opinion and he reckons they guessed. I asked if that was his professional opinion and he said no, it would cost £45 plus vat if I wanted that.
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I'd go to a qualified optician.
 
Blueknows said:
I too haven't got an issue with our disallowed goal Its the "clear and obvious " I have issue with and the confusion around Oliver not thinking/awarding a clear penalty , so why is VAR not interfering with the refs decision ? If VAR know hes made a mistake by not awarding a penalty why didn't VAR inform him hes made a mistake ? yet they inform him they've seen a handball when he initially along with all 22 players didn't see anything wrong with Jesus goal
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Oliver was a complete arsehole all through the game.
 
Bayblue said:
This gives a level of transparency and accountability that is currently lacking from the football version.

People will still make mistakes, and fans will still disagree with each other but it would be a big step forward from where we are today.
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Just watched it again on MOTD2. The defender grabs Laporte's arm and he frees himself from the grip. You only see it on the actual highlights, but you don't it on the slow-mo replay because 'the grab' has already happened by that point. Effing fuming.
 
HarrytheBlue said:
Someone tell me why Bernardo was booked after beating about five Spurs players ?
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He wasn`t ? Was he ?? Thought only Sterling got booked unless I missed it.
That twat Rose should have been booked but to give a free kick against Berno was one of the worst decisions I`ve ever seen.So blatant.
Complete twat all day Oliver.
 
So to summarise we can expect every goal to be scrutinised by VAR (even if no one sees an infringement and the ref thinks its a goal) yet on penalty incidents it will be up to the ref to give it or not ? because the official line is that VAR wont interfere with the refs decision ? so why did Oliver indicate that VAR told him it wasn't a penalty (when it obviously was, feck knows how they came to that decision) yet on the disallowed goal they inform him they've seen something...what happened to clear and obvious ? because like last week none of them that went against us werent clear and obvious
 
HarrytheBlue said:
Sorry, I meant to say why was a free kick given against him ?
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From where I was sitting, I thought Rose fouled Bernardo, but I can see why the ref gave it the other way.

It looked like Rose hit Bernardo with his arm first, but Bernardo crashed into Rose almost at the same time. I don't know what angle the ref had of it.

I was still laughing at Bernardo's piss taking ball control skills to be honest.
 
oakiecokie said:
He wasn`t ? Was he ?? Thought only Sterling got booked unless I missed it.
That twat Rose should have been booked but to give a free kick against Berno was one of the worst decisions I`ve ever seen.So blatant.
Complete twat all day Oliver.
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Yeah, I meant to say 'why was a free kick given against Bernardo ?'. I mentioned 'booking' by mistake. Can't think straight at the moment......
 
blue moony said:
If Hawkeye it a heat map showed you n the screen to everyone then people would accept the decision and move on , not a decision being made by a shit referee deemed not qualified enough to ref the game ! An opinion and not a proven fact
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A heat map at a football match. We really have lost it.
 
franksinatra said:
There will be no winners with VAR mate regardless of whether we get the decision in our favour or not. Its a destruction of the unbridled joy of seeing a goal and getting lost in the moment. I would rather have incorrect decisions made by a human being on the field of play rather than have VAR destroy the emotion of every goal going forward.
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All. Day. Long.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
From where I was sitting, I thought Rose fouled Bernardo, but I can see why the ref gave it the other way.

It looked like Rose hit Bernardo with his arm first, but Bernardo crashed into Rose almost at the same time. I don't know what angle the ref had of it.

I was still laughing at Bernardo's piss taking ball control skills to be honest.
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It was the Lino that gave it not Oliver
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
From where I was sitting, I thought Rose fouled Bernardo, but I can see why the ref gave it the other way.

It looked like Rose hit Bernardo with his arm first, but Bernardo crashed into Rose almost at the same time. I don't know what angle the ref had of it.

I was still laughing at Bernardo's piss taking ball control skills to be honest.
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I`d love to see a giff of that.I sit in CBL3 and it happened right in front of where we sit.Wonderful skill and a pleasure to have such a wonderful player.
 
Murph said:
The technology isn't good enough to judge close offside's, fact.

25 fps, isn't good enough for gaming never mind judging top level football.

Any player running at just half the speed of a top sprinter, will cover 5M per second. 5M divided by 25 fps = 20 cm or 8" per frame.

There is so much room for error, incompetence/corruption that it's staggering.
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And you have the fact that Raheem is exceptionally quick - so quick he can appear offside when he's onside.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
I can’t see it making a difference for us.

All goals are checked which means Liverpool and United will have their fair share of disallowed goals. The technology means that the refs will literally have no choice but to disallow it.

The issue will arise over checking for potential penalties but even this will put the refs under greater scrutiny. Especially if they check for one team but not the other.

There is no doubt in my mind that this will benefit us sooner rather than later.
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How can something that kills, stone dead, the joy of a goal be anything but a disaster? Check, re-check, re-check the check. Do me a fucking favour. It's shit and anyone, like me, who's been to the two games this season, knows it. But hey, it makes great telly.
 
Goal-line tech is brilliant - it's absolute and the decision is instant. Until offside is absolute and the decision is instant, we shouldn't have it. VAR offside is still a grainy matter of opinion. At the very least, the VAR ref should have to do what the cricket and rugby equivalents have to do and give a running commentary on what they're seeing - broadcast in the stadium and on tv if the game is televised.
 
I also get the impression that some refs haven't bought into the current version of VAR. Some are publicly saying on MOTD highlights and live that 'It's not me'.

I'm all for VAR, but only if it's instant and absolute. Get rid of it and only bring it back when it's as reliable and instant as goal-line technology. We can't have 50-odd thousand people celebrating for nearly two minutes with the ball on the centre spot. I don't think a single Spurs player protested against the 'goal'.
 
We are all responsible for our own actions and decisions. Commit a crime and we'll be dealt with - quite rightly. But I fear that somewhere in the country, the current deeply flawed VAR will result in some idiot(s) losing total control and doing something we haven't seen since the dark days of routine mass hooliganism. They'll be dealt with and rightly so. If VAR is soon suspended because of its unreliability and unacceptable delays, then the damage has already been done to us.
 
Murph said:
The technology isn't good enough to judge close offside's, fact.

25 fps, isn't good enough for gaming never mind judging top level football.

Any player running at just half the speed of a top sprinter, will cover 5M per second. 5M divided by 25 fps = 20 cm or 8" per frame.

There is so much room for error, incompetence/corruption that it's staggering.
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It's 50 frames a second. UHDTV.
Watching a HDTV version at 25 frames a second,
I still can't see a definitive touch of the ball by Laporte's hand. I can definately see the defender holding his arm (surely a pen?) And I can see it touch Laporte's head but there is no evidence it touched Laporte's hand - indeed it could equally be said to have touched the defendersxarm.
 
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