Var debate 2019/20

[bobbyowenquiff]

Castles shows what is presented on the Premier league website is NOT the same as the IFAB guidelines.

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Duncan Castles‏Verified account @DuncanCastles Aug 17


Replying to @dannyjbradders @TransferPodcast and

Sorry, but what is presented on the Premier League webaite is not the Law of the game. There is only one handball Law and it’s the one written by IFAB (under the influence of the Premier League, in this case). You can read them here: http://www.theifab.com/laws

Amazing a united supporting journo has done his homework on it and nobody else.

Much as it pains me to say it but Castles has actually behaved like a proper journalist and checked the actual wording of the new handball rules. It is amazing how many media people have just repeated the claim that the Jesus decison was in line with the new rules and the VAR team had no choice. Swarbrick claimed Oliver saw the Rodri incident (false) and that the Jesus goal decison was based on the IFAB guidance (false) but was not challenged even though the true version of events was all in the public domain.

 

[flook]

Sergio was behind the ball but admittedly in front of the defender. You cannot be offside if you are level or behind the ball when it is played regardless of the position of any opposition player so he was onside.

as was the wolves player who crossed for Neves

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Much as it pains me to say it but Castles has actually behaved like a proper journalist and checked the actual wording of the new handball rules. It is amazing how many media people have just repeated the claim that the Jesus decison was in line with the new rules and the VAR team had no choice. Swarbrick claimed Oliver saw the Rodri incident (false) and that the Jesus goal decison was based on the IFAB guidance (false) but was not challenged even though the true version of events was all in the public domain.

The law is quite clear: http://www.theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/92/

The PL are doing it wrong!

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Spot on,ive been saying exactly that.

The goal should not have stood given the precedent they have set.

I don't think he was offside but they did show the wrong graphic on VAR! They had the passers foot and the recievers shoulder/arm but the ball was in front of the line, so it was definately onside. That being said, the fact that people are still arguing about this 'definitive' technology suggests it is not that definative, after all..

 

[Hes the left back remember]

ITs a crazy Law. If the ball would have hit the Spurs defenders hand first and knocked it onto LaPorte and Jesus scored then would it have still been disallowed?

 

[geoff hammond]

For me the enjoyment of the season is being totally ruined already.
People are arguing about whether goals should stand or not and we have been on the arse end of most decisions so far.
But the real deal for me is the excitement killer each time we score now. I have not properly celebrated a goal since the first VAR incident v West Ham and I dont know how you can celebrate a goal going forward without huge doubt in your mind.

 

[kaz7]

ITs a crazy Law. If the ball would have hit the Spurs defenders hand first and knocked it onto LaPorte and Jesus scored then would it have still been disallowed?

Yes because the handball for defender is it has to be away from their body,attackers any contact at all so if it hit eric at all that is handball,hitting the defender would not have been a penalty either,the whole handball rule is totally fucked up and never needed to be this complicated

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Well so far no one has produced any statements other than the ones published on the FA and IFAB websites and re-published on here. In these there is a discrepancy between the FA advice and what the IFAB rules actually say. Neil Swarbrick claimed on Radio 5 that the officials here were bound by the IFAB rules. Something does not add up.

Agreed.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I don't think he was offside but they did show the wrong graphic on VAR! They had the passers foot and the recievers shoulder/arm but the ball was in front of the line, so it was definately onside. That being said, the fact that people are still arguing about this 'definitive' technology suggests it is not that definative, after all..

Going off the VAR graphics shared on SKY, both Aguero and the Wolves goal were offside by a toe.

It seems SKY are getting looped in on the actual decision before the watching public are, also?

Tyler was able to state it had been ruled out before the crowd were informed.

 

[kaz7]

For me the enjoyment of the season is being totally ruined already.
People are arguing about whether goals should stand or not and we have been on the arse end of most decisions so far.
But the real deal for me is the excitement killer each time we score now. I have not properly celebrated a goal since the first VAR incident v West Ham and I dont know how you can celebrate a goal going forward without huge doubt in your mind.

I'm not celebrating any goals until they have been checked especially last min winners,the ****s are clearly out to get us

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I think City should be pursuing this report from Castles and seeking clarification and a possible points redress straight away.

Swardick has stated what rules they officiate from.

 

[kaz7]

Going off the VAR graphics shared on SKY, both Aguero and the Wolves goal were offside by a toe.

It seems SKY are getting looped in on the actual decision before the watching public are, also?

Tyler was able to state it had been ruled out before the crowd were informed.

Yes those of us at home are getting the decisions before those at the ground,if you are correct that those 2 goals were offside but they weren't ruled out then why was mm's ruled out raz's goal?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Agreed.

I think it speaks volumes that IFAB who have been heavily criticised in many quarters for their new handball rules have actually not said anything in public. All the comments have come from the referees and VAR group. When you actually read the new IFAB rules most of them seem totally reasonable. Something has gone wrong in the FA briefing. I get the feeling a log of buck-passing is going on. It is frustrating that it takes someone like Duncan Castles to raise this because the rest of the media can't do their job properly.

 

[Shirley]

Going off the VAR graphics shared on SKY, both Aguero and the Wolves goal were offside by a toe.

It seems SKY are getting looped in on the actual decision before the watching public are, also?

Tyler was able to state it had been ruled out before the crowd were informed.

Said it from day one with the amount of money tv companies are putting in to football they will want a say.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Yes those of us at home are getting the decisions before those at the ground,if you are correct that those 2 goals were offside but they weren't ruled out then why was mm's ruled out raz's goal?

You tell me...

I'm also calling out SKY being privy and sharing with the watching home audience before the crowd inside the stadium get to learn of goal decisions.

Regardless of five or ten seconds, it is open to online betting fraud.

There was a time where crooks in the City were using software which was able skim off trades in milliseconds between shares purchases and trades.

Mic these ****s up.

 

[Bandofblues]

365 pages and I still haven't seen a single pic from the reverse angle showing the ball hitting Laporte. The only thing we have seen is inconclusive pictures of both players with arms up (spuds defender more so that Laporte) and the ball changing flight from contact from one or the other. I think the VAR officials GUESSED that it was Laporte's arm which therefore isn't a factual decision.

First of all , is there any clear footage that shows Laporte handled the ball ?
From what I’ve seen so far it deflected from spuds player . Loris would be the first one to appeal if it came off Laporte but non of the spuds players reacted instead the smirk on loris face after decision says it all.

Yep, still waiting for someone to offer proof. Not one single reverse camera angle.
No one?, anyone?

 

[stonerblue]

2 games into the season and already they are battling to save face over the use and introduction of tech that is clearly not for for purpose right now (offsides) or its interpretation by the same officials that still apply their own slants and bias on to a decision meaning that teams will never be treated fairly or impartially.

Get rid and lets go back to the ref and his linesman.

Get rid of var
Get rid of the daft new rules
Give the ref his authority back

 

[kaz7]

You tell me...

I'm also calling out SKY being privy and sharing with the watching home audience before the crowd inside the stadium get to learn of goal decisions.

Regardless of five or ten seconds, it is open to online betting fraud.

There was a time where crooks in the City were using software which was able skim off trades in milliseconds between shares purchases and trades.

Mic these ****s up.

Fraud is a good point,i hadn't thought of that,the whole system has already shown 2 games in that they are going to manipulate results,they seem to have made up rules of their own to suit the results they want,the rules are clear,what they are doing is not
Reviewing the rodders pen in slow mo multiple times is the opposite of what they said they were going to do,they gave pogba's dive in secs,no multiple looks at that one,i'm afraid we will be dropping lots of points this season,i can't see any way we can fight thse crooks and win the title,they have made their intentions very clear already,the club can ask for clarification as many times as they want but they will be told to stfu and accept it like the rest of us

 

[stonerblue]

Going off the VAR graphics shared on SKY, both Aguero and the Wolves goal were offside by a toe.

It seems SKY are getting looped in on the actual decision before the watching public are, also?

Tyler was able to state it had been ruled out before the crowd were informed.

surprise surprise

 

[meltonblue]

I think it speaks volumes that IFAB who have been heavily criticised in many quarters for their new handball rules have actually not said anything in public. All the comments have come from the referees and VAR group. When you actually read the new IFAB rules most of them seem totally reasonable. Something has gone wrong in the FA briefing. I get the feeling a log of buck-passing is going on. It is frustrating that it takes someone like Duncan Castles to raise this because the rest of the media can't do their job properly.

IFAB have commented on it and said they’re not changing the law (and are by extension saying they’re happy with the interpretation the PL is using for it)