Var debate 2019/20

[Lancet Fluke]

Are all the var advocates still in bed?

Who was that **** on here last weekend, posting every 30 seconds taking the piss out of anyone who was raising concerns and dismissing them as sticks in the mud who just didn't like any change? Wonder whether he's still laughing it up?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Am I missing something here or do these rules state that our goal shouldn't have been ruled out?
• the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm - a goal directly from a handball Llorente style?

• a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity - Laporte never gained control/possesion of the ball

• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm) - neither are applicable

Does anybidy even know the handball rules anymore? It's all so vague at the moment it's frankly ridiculous.

I believe you are.

First point: Llorente's was in a different competition and under a previous set of laws to Laporte yesterday. There was no law last year which covered Llorente's, which I do not believe was deliberate. Under the new rules, it would have been ruled out.

Second point: Hit Laporte's arm, and created an opportunity (Jesus). I think that it makes sense that possession can be gained by a teammate rather than that player.

 

[bert38]

Yep, the key word is “creates.” It cannot be said that Laporte’s handball created the goal scoring opportunity, I would say.

Damn sure this tiny grey area will crop up when certain other teams are playing.

 

[grim up north]

Transparency has totally gone now. How do fans know who is in the room when these decisions are being made

 

[bluebrother55]

“it is an offence if a player gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then scores in the opponents’ goal, creates a goal-scoring opportunity or scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental.”
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules.../football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

Except when it's a Spurs player scoring against us in the Champions League.

 

[give it to gordon]

Transparency has totally gone now. How do fans know who is in the room when these decisions are being made

We dont we also dont know how big the brown envelope is ...

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The problem was that it didn't leed to a goal. Jesus still had to collect the ball, turn and move across into a shooting position. Before shooting and scoring. Would agree if the ball had fallen at his feet and he had shot straight away.

That's the only argument I've seen which would argue against the decision.
Not knowing what the directive is to the refs on how to interpret it is a problem.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Except when it's a Spurs player scoring against us in the Champions League.

under a previous set of laws in a different competition.

 

[Chris in London]

The problem was that it didn't leed to a goal. Jesus still had to collect the ball, turn and move across into a shooting position. Before shooting and scoring. Would agree if the ball had fallen at his feet and he had shot straight away.

Yeah, if the ball was accidentally diverted into Gabriel’s path from Laporte’s arm when the ball would otherwise have gone out of play, and he scores , that’s handball. What happened yesterday wasn’t.

 

[BosnianBlue]

Was all for VAR as I stupidly thought we would start getting all those penalties we were never given. You live and learn.

This. Was huge VAR supporter until yesterday as I thought they can't hide their mistakes anymore. Naive.