Var debate 2019/20

Am I missing something here or do these rules state that our goal shouldn't have been ruled out?
• the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm - a goal directly from a handball Llorente style?

• a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity - Laporte never gained control/possesion of the ball

• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm) - neither are applicable

Does anybidy even know the handball rules anymore? It's all so vague at the moment it's frankly ridiculous.

I believe you are.

First point: Llorente's was in a different competition and under a previous set of laws to Laporte yesterday. There was no law last year which covered Llorente's, which I do not believe was deliberate. Under the new rules, it would have been ruled out.

Second point: Hit Laporte's arm, and created an opportunity (Jesus). I think that it makes sense that possession can be gained by a teammate rather than that player.
 
The problem was that it didn't leed to a goal. Jesus still had to collect the ball, turn and move across into a shooting position. Before shooting and scoring. Would agree if the ball had fallen at his feet and he had shot straight away.

That's the only argument I've seen which would argue against the decision.
Not knowing what the directive is to the refs on how to interpret it is a problem.
 
The problem was that it didn't leed to a goal. Jesus still had to collect the ball, turn and move across into a shooting position. Before shooting and scoring. Would agree if the ball had fallen at his feet and he had shot straight away.

Yeah, if the ball was accidentally diverted into Gabriel’s path from Laporte’s arm when the ball would otherwise have gone out of play, and he scores , that’s handball. What happened yesterday wasn’t.
 
Damn sure this tiny grey area will crop up when certain other teams are playing.
They know what they are doing. They have created the rules with enough black and white calls to rule out City goals and enough grey areas to allow Liverpool goals. They can twist it however they want. For example if it’s Liverpool they just say “the arm did not create the chance”.
 
Woul we have won the league last year without VAR. I don't think they would have given the goal at burnley without it, or was it already given before var intervened can't remember.
 
The problem yesterday wasn’t so much VAR but the stupid new hand ball rule. VAR has an impact because it highlights incidents and makes it more likely that the absurd rule will be invoked.
 
Woul we have won the league last year without VAR. I don't think they would have given the goal at burnley without it, or was it already given before var intervened can't remember.

thats goal line tech and something completely different
 
Said all along it would be used as a tool to manipulate results and that’s exactly what is happening. If Liverpool or the rags scored that goal yesterday it would never have been reviewed by the VAR and we would all be none the wiser regarding the “handball”.

Exactly no one would look for it, this is why it is open to corruption
 
under a previous set of laws in a different competition.

Yeah, apparently. The whole concept is wrong, it's open to corruption, sucks the lifeblood out of the crowd and is going to get worse.
It's not even going to be applied to all clubs. Some will come under more scrutiny than others, as we're already seeing.
 
It will add to the dilution of emotion but one thing teams need to do after scoring a last minute winner is not celebrate and get the ball back to the centre spot as quickly as possible. The longer VAR have the more chance they have of spotting something so innocuous as the handball.
 

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