Var debate 2019/20

[MillionMilesAway]

The simple solution is to not review every decision and have the team captain use a review option to him. Ref can do as many as wishes for serious foul play but all var should be able to do is show the ref the evidence, not tell him what action to take

Would that have changed anything with Rodri?
On-field ref didn't give a foul.
We don't know if VAR said play on or review.
Either way, how would the challenge have changed it? If the ref's not giving it, he's not giving it.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

That is just fucking wrong.

How about this — ball hits defenders arm in his box accidentally, ricochets to midfielder who starts a one pass break to striker who dribbles in and scores at the other end.

Goal or no goal?

 

[lightning Rodri]

Football's beauty lies in it being a flowing, continuous game rather than a start stop one like cricket, tennis, volleyball or badminton. Adding video assistance to these games really isn't taking anything away from them where as football is getting ruined by late reversals.

I'm afraid to celebrate after the cl Sterling goal decision. Deep inside I was sure that Jesus goal would be disallowed, no rational there.

Can you imagine having a 2 minutes delay for VAR check before celebrating agueroooo moment for the fear of var calling Ballo fouled the defender by leaning on to him or even worse it gets chalked off after the whole world celebrating it ?

Unless they can't do split second decisions, not taking more than the time an assistant takes to raise the flag, they should scrap it.
Technology will achieve that in future with all the AI and stuff, but not now.

 

[LWashington]

How about this — ball hits defenders arm in his box accidentally, ricochets to midfielder who starts a one pass break to striker who dribbles in and scores at the other end.

Goal or no goal?

Same question has been asked several times on different threads, nobody has any idea but I fear the answer lies in what colour shirt the scorer is playing in.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I've seen a number of comments about "they're interpreting the law wrong on control/possession".

Is that just expression of opinion, or an official position? Are any of those making the comment qualified refs?

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

I've seen a number of comments about "they're interpreting the law wrong on control/possession".

Is that just expression of opinion, or an official position? Are any of those making the comment qualified refs?

The qualified refs won't comment until they've met to decide on a unified response.

 

[Bozo]

Can you imagine having a 2 minutes delay for VAR check before celebrating agueroooo moment for the fear of var calling Ballo fouled the defender by leaning on to him or even worse it gets chalked off after the whole world celebrating it ?

This is my main issue, you can't allow people to celebrate like that and not expect consequences, ie fans giving up the game for good/violence. We're two games in to the season and both have been blighted by VAR.

 

[ballinio]

Let's see who is right come the end of the season.

Makes no difference to me , technology will kill the game & it’s not for me , over complicating a simple game , corruption & ruining the right we all have(had) to celebrating a goal signals the end . Enjoy the new football.

 

[Bluephoria]

Gaining control and gaining possession would not be stated if it meant the same thing . Once it hits a players arm/hand and falls to yourself or your teammate then it's a foul .

If it hits a players hand/arm (accidentally - so not above his head etc) and falls to the defender of the opposition (who is under no pressure ) and he makes an absolute hash of it and the attacking side gets the ball and scores then it's a perfectly legitimate goal . It's a new phase of play and they have had time to clear the ball.

Agree that possession and control are two different things. At the moment I'm not conviced that falling to a teammate is a foul unless that 'handling' player himself creates a GSO. To gain possession or control must mean that you would not have had it - i.e. deflects into the path of the 'handling' player.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Agree that possession and control are two different things. At the moment I'm not conviced that falling to a teammate is a foul unless that 'handling' player himself creates a GSO. To gain possession or control must mean that you would not have had it - i.e. deflects into the path of the 'handling' player.

No-one had control/possession as the ball came over, so someone gained it. It ended up at Jesus' feet, so it makes sense to assume that City gained it.

Whether your second sentence applies is a reasonable question, but it appears that the referees think it does count if it goes to another. One of them - Halsey, or anyone who dislikes Oliver - would surely have broken cover by now.