Var debate 2019/20

[kaz7]

What incident would you have looked at in any of the three Liverpool games (if you were in control of var and trying to fuck them over)?

I’m guessing you’ve watched all 3 games in full.

I watched all there games,in the first one norwich were flagged offside several times despite at least 2 times they were well onside and were breaking
Salad was a really soft pen,it was the sort of thing that var were supposed to correct,compare with our pens not given then it is obvious the difference,the refs can continue to do what they were doing knowing they won't be corrected,there is a hugh scope for match fixing
There are untouched so far,which other teams can say that?
I'm at a loss with how you can't see how we are being targetted so far

 

[SebastianBlue]

That is exactly what will happen, and whilst I'm not claiming an agenda here, if it does and its liverpool who benefit then our results from this system so far could prove absolutely fucking critical in a league that split the top 2 by just 1 point last season.

Many of us have been saying this is exactly what will happen.

PGMOL will likely wait until the damage is done, after the decisions impacting the outcomes of our matches and points attained (Spurs) have brought to light the issues with the currently VAR implementation, then they will release a watered down mea culpa with a declaration that they intend to start using VAR to correct obviously incorrect in/decisions.

Then all clubs, City and Liverpool alike, will have incidents reviewed generally fairly, but it we’ll still be 2-5 points off the leaders Liverpool, as there is no precedent for changing outcomes of matches (points awarded) based on retrospectively admitted incorrect decisions.

 

[Proy]

Many of us have been saying this is exactly what will happen.

PGMOL will likely wait until the damage is done, after the decisions impacting the outcomes of our matches and points attained (Spurs) have brought to light the issues with the currently VAR implementation, then they will release a watered down mea culpa with a declaration that they intend to start using VAR to correct obviously incorrect in/decisions.

Then all clubs, City and Liverpool alike, will have incidents reviewed generally fairly, but it we’ll still be 2-5 points off the leaders Liverpool, as there is no precedent for changing outcomes of matches (points awarded) based on retrospectively admitted incorrect decisions.

After this weekend I'm doing my best to stay away from any corruption theory, certainly when the suggestion is us vs liverpool, because the results of the platform so far have been consistent for every team.

The only caveat to my argument, is let's see wait and see what happens if liverpool have a blatant penalty not given, and then not overturned. That said, I dont suspect we are going to see it because my belief is that by the next round of matches, they will have had a meeting (of which we will have no awareness) of which the conclusion will be to lower the bar. Such has been the fallout over the last 2 days. Its damaging the brand and that will not be allowed to continue for a full season.

All VAR has done so far is highlight the sheer incompetence of our referees. The amount of blatant, missed penalties is really quite incredible and it's only being compounded by those running VAR (also refs) who are coming out and backing these decisions.

Either scrap the fuckin thing, or start using it as it should be and not go out on a whim looking to be the only league on planet earth who just have to be different.

 

[Florida Blue]

I think we are misinterpreting the word ‘bent’ here as there seems to be more than definition.

If you’re saying it’s bent as in “PGMOL are just going to lie to support every decision that’s given by a combination of ref/var” then I’d agree with that interpretation.

If you’re saying it’s bent in favour of making Liverpool champions then so far I’d disagree (as we’ve not needed to see it in action yet in one of their games). If it starts doing that then I’m done with the sport as it wouldn’t be worth my time, effort and money.

You yourself said Liverpool are reffed differently, so if the VAR is not going to intervene in clear pens like Rodri/ Silva, that's all we need to know.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Many of us have been saying this is exactly what will happen.

PGMOL will likely wait until the damage is done, after the decisions impacting the outcomes of our matches and points attained (Spurs) have brought to light the issues with the currently VAR implementation, then they will release a watered down mea culpa with a declaration that they intend to start using VAR to correct obviously incorrect in/decisions.

Then all clubs, City and Liverpool alike, will have incidents reviewed generally fairly, but it we’ll still be 2-5 points off the leaders Liverpool, as there is no precedent for changing outcomes of matches (points awarded) based on retrospectively admitted incorrect decisions.

If accepting that Liverpool are treated differently than other clubs ( see previous posts ) , then this is the obvious conclusion imo.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Today's decision was even more a stonewall penalty than last week's when Rodri was impeded. Quite obvious Pep was fuming and if this carries on surely City need to be have private words with Mike Riley.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

After this weekend I'm doing my best to stay away from any corruption theory, certainly when the suggestion is us vs liverpool, because the results of the platform so far have been consistent for every team.

The only caveat to my argument, is let's see wait and see what happens if liverpool have a blatant penalty not given, and then not overturned. That said, I dont suspect we are going to see it because my belief is that by the next round of matches, they will have had a meeting (of which we will have no awareness) of which the conclusion will be to lower the bar. Such has been the fallout over the last 2 days. Its damaging the brand and that will not be allowed to continue for a full season.

All VAR has done so far is highlight the sheer incompetence of our referees. The amount of blatant, missed penalties is really quite incredible and it's only being compounded by those running VAR (also refs) who are coming out and backing these decisions.

Either scrap the fuckin thing, or start using it as it should be and not go out on a whim looking to be the only league on planet earth who just have to be different.

IF the dippers do have a blatant penalty not given, and not overturned by VAR, then we will witness a massive outcry in favour of scrapping the whole project from all the media whores who constantly lick the Liverpool arse . The outcry will be at levels way above what we have seen so far imo.

 

[The blue phantom]

You yourself said Liverpool are reffed differently, so if the VAR is not going to intervene in clear pens like Rodri/ Silva, that's all we need to know.

We'll know for sure when one of these crops ups in a game of theirs. If a onfield ref waves no pen and Var changes it, then a big can of worms will be opened.

 

[SebastianBlue]

After this weekend I'm doing my best to stay away from any corruption theory, certainly when the suggestion is us vs liverpool, because the results of the platform so far have been consistent for every team.

The only caveat to my argument, is let's see wait and see what happens if liverpool have a blatant penalty not given, and then not overturned. That said, I dont suspect we are going to see it because my belief is that by the next round of matches, they will have had a meeting (of which we will have no awareness) of which the conclusion will be to lower the bar. Such has been the fallout over the last 2 days. Its damaging the brand and that will not be allowed to continue for a full season.

All VAR has done so far is highlight the sheer incompetence of our referees. The amount of blatant, missed penalties is really quite incredible and it's only being compounded by those running VAR (also refs) who are coming out and backing these decisions.

Either scrap the fuckin thing, or start using it as it should be and not go out on a whim looking to be the only league on planet earth who just have to be different.

Oh, I wasn’t indicating an agenda, I was merely saying that many of us have predicted that the VAR implementation will be “corrected” only after the damage to us is already done, regardless of whether that was the intention.

We’ve already had 2 points taken away based on what most would agree was VAR overly scrutinising a match-winning goal and misapplying a rule recently changed to, ironically, prevent misapplication.

That impact is irrespective of whether it was intentionally meant to impede us in the league.

 

[Blue Mist]

To be fair rugby league has tweaked the video ref system several times before settling on the current system

So that makes it easier for us, look at there mistakes and make sure you don't use them, look at the good points and make sure they can be incorporated to fit football. Instead PiGMOL are making it up as they go along and flying in the face of UEFA to boot.