Var debate 2019/20

Interpretation of Clear and obvious bullshit rule.
Egyptian pussy : tug on shirt vs Stamp on David’s foot that made him fall down .

Clear and obvious corruption.
Was the refs on the pitch (as it has been for 130 years) rather than var that decided those.

Var should have been used to give the Silva pen but like the other 30 occasions it’s been used in a penalty review, it didn’t over rule the ref.

I would imagine that PGMOL are going to change their ‘clear and obvious’ interpretation soon now that virtually every media outlet is having a go at it.
 
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You wouldn't be saying that if the roles were reversed,thanks for putting us straight though,where would we be without a dipper on here

On the contrary, I would be lamenting the fallibility of VAR, and not covering my head in tin foil, crying about a conspiracy against my club.

I’m not sure whether you’re using the term Bin Dipper as an insult or a term of endearment?

By the way, Karen, the post you quoted was a question, not a conclusion or statement of fact, so I wasn’t really putting you straight about anything.

Though I am putting you straight about that.

Thanks for your reply, though. It adds to the inclusive feel of this forum.
 
All good mate, but I will add that the “bent” part is that we all assumed we would get the penalty situation sorted as we know we always get the bum deal, however refs are just sticking with the “not giving them to us” option which if VAR isn’t going to overrule allows them to still hurt us. With the dippers you can nailed on guarantee that Salah will continue to dive and get them given by the refs, and lo and behold they won’t get overturned, just like the one that was given for Pogba in the Wolves game.
Oh I agree. I think Liverpool are reffed entirely differently to City and always have been. But that’s not a var issue. It’s the same isssue we had last year.

Var was meant to change that which is why I’m so pissed off with it.

Just sacking var off (rather than changing how it’s used) isn’t the answer for me as it just means a continuation of the status quo of favouring Liverpool for evermore.
 
Yep, In a way he said that var people will look at that Silva and he thinks they will learn from it and next time when Salah gets his foot trod on against city it will go to var and be overturned.

That is exactly what will happen, and whilst I'm not claiming an agenda here, if it does and its liverpool who benefit then our results from this system so far could prove absolutely fucking critical in a league that split the top 2 by just 1 point last season.
 
Fuck me, where did you go for your lobotomy?

If it was bent, it would be overturning some penalty decisions and not others. By overturning none, it shows itself to be pointless and impotent.

Give your head a wobble.


But we know it's bent because Swarbick said Oliver saw the Rodri incident when he didn't. So somebody is lying, either Oliver who told VAR he saw it or Swarbrick, or BOTH.
I'm not having it that Swarbrick didn't watch the incident a couple of times to see where Oliver was looking, that is his job. If somebody in any other job flat out lied like that they would be sacked in a heartbeat.

NOT every single decision needs to be bent to make a difference, you have different VARS for different games, we have no idea who they support, who these people are. A big incorrect decision here and there is all it needs to make a difference when you have 2 teams capable of getting 97 and 98 points in a season.

And if you think it's no bent fair enough, but you have Graham Poll that admitted the refs are influenced on decisions given to the bigger teams (Liverpool are bigger than us) AND influenced by the media. Which team again is all over the media for FFP cheating, linked to human rights violations, sports washing etc etc.



Lastlt, If the so called "high bar of intervention" is higher than grabbing Rodri around the neck or standing on Silvas foot, then it's going to take a serious stoods up, GBH stlyle assault for VAR to give a penalty that the ref originally didn't.
 
Saved me the reply.
The problem is the myopia of fans. We’ve had plenty say Martial, Rashford, Kane and Aspa aren’t penalties but we know full well that if they were City players, the same posters would be saying they were nailed on penalties.

It’s due to this tribalism that the football authorities can take the piss the way they currently are as most fans only give a shit about their own things.
 
Oh I agree. I think Liverpool are reffed entirely differently to City and always have been. But that’s not a var issue. It’s the same isssue we had last year.

Var was meant to change that which is why I’m so pissed off with it.

Just sacking var off (rather than changing how it’s used) isn’t the answer for me as it just means a continuation of the status quo of favouring Liverpool for evermore.

This used to be MANUre = reffed entirley differently from any other team in the PL and the Dippers have now taken over that spot!
 
But we know it's bent because Swarbick said Oliver saw the Rodri incident when he didn't. So somebody is lying, either Oliver who told VAR he saw it or Swarbrick, or BOTH.
I'm not having it that Swarbrick didn't watch the incident a couple of times to see where Oliver was looking, that is his job. If somebody in any other job flat out lied like that they would be sacked in a heartbeat.

NOT every single decision needs to be bent to make a difference, you have different VARS for different games, we have no idea who they support, who these people are. A big incorrect decision here and there is all it needs to make a difference when you have 2 teams capable of getting 97 and 98 points in a season.

And if you think it's no bent fair enough, but you have Graham Poll that admitted the refs are influenced on decisions given to the bigger teams (Liverpool are bigger than us) AND influenced by the media. Which team again is all over the media for FFP cheating, linked to human rights violations, sports washing etc etc.



Lastlt, If the so called "high bar of intervention" is higher than grabbing Rodri around the neck or standing on Silvas foot, then it's going to take a serious stoods up, GBH stlyle assault for VAR to give a penalty that the ref originally didn't.
I think we are misinterpreting the word ‘bent’ here as there seems to be more than definition.

If you’re saying it’s bent as in “PGMOL are just going to lie to support every decision that’s given by a combination of ref/var” then I’d agree with that interpretation.

If you’re saying it’s bent in favour of making Liverpool champions then so far I’d disagree (as we’ve not needed to see it in action yet in one of their games). If it starts doing that then I’m done with the sport as it wouldn’t be worth my time, effort and money.
 

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