Var debate 2019/20

[blueinsa]

The thing is its new and it was always going to adapt to criticism.

Our disallowed goal v spurs was strongly and publicly criticised, and rightly so, and as many predicted they'll have all since discussed it, and come to a consensus that that is not what VAR should be ruling out (it shouldn't be being used to rule out goals, unless they are obviously illegal).

Our Rodri penalty wasn't considered "clear and obvious" (very debatable in most opinions), but it was only one at the time, but this week has seen several more poor decisions, a couple of "should have been" penalties, also now being scrutinised publicly (the Tierney one is frankly ridiculous), so further discussion must surely be had that VAR has to be seen to be doing something to correct obviously wrong decisions, so it will adapt again.

Also the idiot doing the Villa game, who booked Grealish and disallowed the goal, should be put on re-training, as should the idiot in the VAR booth for not changing it or at least getting the referee to view it again, and correct his obvious error, its neither a foul or a dive, its a pass to a colleague, who subsequently scores a perfectly good goal (see "it shouldn't be being used to rule out goals, unless they are obviously illegal" above).

Its all fine and well saying it should be scrapped, but that isn't happening 4 games into the season, its here and its staying, so with more data available each week (ie wrong decisions), its surely better for better interpretations to be brought in than leave it as it is ?

We can micro analyse every decision we don't like, but its here and its staying, so lets get it working the best way possible for the good of everybody.

What takes time though mate?

We have the laws of the game and we now have the ability for the ref and VAR ref to look at the pictures to rectify mistakes.

All that is needed is for PiGMOL to accept that they do make mistakes and to rectify them.

Other than that i refuse to cut them any slack whatsoever im afraid.

 

[Blue Llama]

What is obvious is that having refs judging the VAR is asking them to risk retribution when they are reffing a game and a vindictive ref previously shown to be inept is in front of the screen. Its human nature not to want to expose yourself to that type of situation. Therefore the 'bar' for judging what is 'clear and obvious' is being set extremely high by the VAR officials.

 

[Bandofblues]

What is obvious is that having refs judging the VAR is asking them to risk retribution when they are reffing a game and a vindictive ref previously shown to be inept is in front of the screen. Its human nature not to want to expose yourself to that type of situation. Therefore the 'bar' for judging what is 'clear and obvious' is being set extremely high by the VAR officials.

Ridiculously, impossibly, unacceptably.....

 

[Afterthefact]

It’s fucking outrageous. In that case yesterday, not only was it a handball but it was the same player that scored so this handball was directly in breach of rule 12, whereas the rule had to be “interpreted” for Laporte’s handball. Here’s law 12 which had to be interpreted for Jesus’s disallowed goal and ignored for the Newcastle one.

It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:
  • scores in the opponents’ goal
  • creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper

Bullet 2 describes the Newcastle goal perfectly.
But it had to be interpreted to mean that an accidental handball leading to another player gaining possession of the ball meant that the player had committed an offence in our case.

It stinks and just saying that “VAR missed it” on this occasion is a fucking joke.

It’s now deliberately ambiguous and there are precedents going both ways. So when something similar - in either direction - benefits liverpool in a tight match they can do what they want and point to the convenient reference point.

 

[cleavers]

What takes time though mate?

We have the laws of the game and we now have the ability for the ref and VAR ref to look at the pictures to rectify mistakes.

All that is needed is for PiGMOL to accept that they do make mistakes and to rectify them.

Other than that i refuse to cut them any slack whatsoever im afraid.

I want it to be used with common sense, simple as that.

Obvious penalties over turned, not "we're setting a high bar" bollocks, obvious dives for penalties rewarded with a booking, not like yesterday, if there's a feint touch of an arm that has no significant influence on a goal, give the goal as they would have always done.

The idiots and their interpretations are what are causing the problems, just like they were before we had VAR, and the interpretations always adapt, just as they did when any holding by a defender was going to be a penalty a couple of years ago, only for it to be basically scrapped after about 5 games, as it was going to cause way too many penalties, that we might as well just decide the game with a penalty shoot out, It was a well intended interpretation for me, and they should have stuck with it imho, as it would have cut it out after the a game finished 6-5 with 8 penalties.

 

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[Fred_Quimby]

Officials are being judged by other officials who probably say to themselves ‘would I have made the same decision?’ And the answer is probably ‘of course’ so nothing happens. Inept officials judging inept officials. What’s wrong with that. We shouldn’t have expected anything else.

 

[stonerblue]

It’s fucking shit

Don’t know why we don’t just give the fucking 4th official a screen for anything the referee isn’t sure about.

Why do we need 4 or 5 dickheads sat in full ref kit in some cctv room 200 miles away to make a decision that is still wrong?

Full kit wankers

 

[Paladin]

It’s fucking outrageous. In that case yesterday, not only was it a handball but it was the same player that scored so this handball was directly in breach of rule 12, whereas the rule had to be “interpreted” for Laporte’s handball. Here’s law 12 which had to be interpreted for Jesus’s disallowed goal and ignored for the Newcastle one.

It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:
  • scores in the opponents’ goal
  • creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper

Bullet 2 describes the Newcastle goal perfectly.
But it had to be interpreted to mean that an accidental handball leading to another player gaining possession of the ball meant that the player had committed an offence in our case.

It stinks and just saying that “VAR missed it” on this occasion is a fucking joke.

I've not seen all the camera angles for the Newcastle goal, but from what I have seen on MOTD, it was a deflection off a player's hand that went to Schar, who scored. From what I saw, the ball did not touch Schar's hand. It is a very similar situation to the Wolves and City disallowed goals, except the goal wasn't disallowed.

 

[carlosthejackal]

Regardless of what they do with it from this point the league has already been affected , we lost two points , Villa have lost a point and Palace gained two points to name just two fuck ups , so whatever the outcome at the end of the season it will not be a true reflection.