Var debate 2019/20

Maybe what I meant to say instead of ‘bias’, is that miccing and videoing up the VAR room would help remove the belief of cheating, or in fact remove the ability to cheat, as you see them twiddle their knobs (ooooer awaits Mr Williams graphic) in real time and their discussion. After all if it’s meant to be impartial what’s to hide?...

I do agree, I just think that unless people start with no preconceptions, it'll still be perceived bias, just to them instead. I also think clear and obvious will go fully out of the window and people will be calling for any contact to be deemed a foul before too long.
 
At a meeting of the 20 Premier League clubs next week, the idea of allowing managers a set number of appeals will be put forward. The league will argue against it, claiming it will lead to time-wasting and tactical appeals by managers. [@JBurtTelegraph]
If refs keep track of the time the review takes and add it on then this point is invalid. Pretty clear that refs just make up the number of minutes added on though.
 
If refs keep track of the time the review takes and add it on then this point is invalid. Pretty clear that refs just make up the number of minutes added on though.
They need a lesson in what time wasting really is,our last game should do it,they can't call it that it would be any worse with var claims
 
The whole process needs to be simplified.

The on-field official makes 100% of decisions. They should be allowed to view any incident they are unsure of leading to a goal, penalty or red card on the big screens when the game comes to a natural stop (e.g. free kick, goal kick, throw in) or when there’s a lull in play (e.g. no immediate attack or counter attack). Any incident missed by the referee should be brought to the officials attention by the VAR official at those stops or lulls in play.

Communication should be completely transparent between officials (on-field and VAR), players and fans during those decision making processes and all incidents shown on the big screens.

e.g.
Referee “please can we review the potential David Silva penalty incident? I think he may have been fouled but couldn’t be certain from my angle”
VAR replay incident on big screen for the referee to make his/her final decision, on-field official to request different angles.

e.g. 2
VAR official “please can you review the David Silva penalty incident?”
VAR replay incident on big screen for the referee to make his/her final decision, on-field official to request different angles.

If a decision can’t be made in 1 minute of being shown on the big screen, play is resumed with the original decision standing.
 
The whole process needs to be simplified.

The on-field official makes 100% of decisions. They should be allowed to view any incident they are unsure of leading to a goal, penalty or red card on the big screens when the game comes to a natural stop (e.g. free kick, goal kick, throw in) or when there’s a lull in play (e.g. no immediate attack or counter attack). Any incident missed by the referee should be brought to the officials attention by the VAR official at those stops or lulls in play.

Communication should be completely transparent between officials (on-field and VAR), players and fans during those decision making processes and all incidents shown on the big screens.

e.g.
Referee “please can we review the potential David Silva penalty incident? I think he may have been fouled but couldn’t be certain from my angle”
VAR replay incident on big screen for the referee to make his/her final decision, on-field official to request different angles.

e.g. 2
VAR official “please can you review the David Silva penalty incident?”
VAR replay incident on big screen for the referee to make his/her final decision, on-field official to request different angles.

If a decision can’t be made in 1 minute of being shown on the big screen, play is resumed with the original decision standing.
They need to ditch the fucking farce I want to celebrate goals like I did before The only thing that makes me believe it’s a goal is when the opposition kicks off
 
The whole process needs to be simplified.

The on-field official makes 100% of decisions. They should be allowed to view any incident they are unsure of leading to a goal, penalty or red card on the big screens when the game comes to a natural stop (e.g. free kick, goal kick, throw in) or when there’s a lull in play (e.g. no immediate attack or counter attack). Any incident missed by the referee should be brought to the officials attention by the VAR official at those stops or lulls in play.

Communication should be completely transparent between officials (on-field and VAR), players and fans during those decision making processes and all incidents shown on the big screens.

e.g.
Referee “please can we review the potential David Silva penalty incident? I think he may have been fouled but couldn’t be certain from my angle”
VAR replay incident on big screen for the referee to make his/her final decision, on-field official to request different angles.

e.g. 2
VAR official “please can you review the David Silva penalty incident?”
VAR replay incident on big screen for the referee to make his/her final decision, on-field official to request different angles.

If a decision can’t be made in 1 minute of being shown on the big screen, play is resumed with the original decision standing.
Interesting but open to manipulation.

Even if the ref gives a blatantly wrong decision, VAR could just drag out the decision to over a minute so that the original incorrect decision stands.
 
I heard on Talkshite this afternoon that there is a big meeting with PiGMOL this week about VAR. From what I remember there are a lot of angry club officials about how VAR is implemented. What we have seen over the last few weeks is a farce. We were used to seeing the referee ONFIELD decisions fully supported, and now it's gone full circle with VAR chipping in and OVERTURNING decisions. There is absolutely zero consistency for me. It needs binning sharpish or this league, which is meant to be the best In the world wil lose a lot of credibility.
 
Just read this. So what is the difference between this and our goal v Spurs ruled out. It's a total farce. Remember the Silva one v Bournemouth when they admitted it was an error and said its a learning curve. How can an entire Var team not see his foot was trodden on. That's not a learning curve, its subjective cheating, just as the Var team giving Utd a penalty for a dive by James v Norwich.

The Premier League clarified why several of the decisions were made over the weekend, including on the Firmino goal. It also said that the decision over Alli's handball was not overturned by VAR because it was not a "clear and obvious error" by the referee - citing the pressure Alli was under from Everton's Yerry Mina when the ball struck his hand
 
Just read this. So what is the difference between this and our goal v Spurs ruled out. It's a total farce. Remember the Silva one v Bournemouth when they admitted it was an error and said its a learning curve. How can an entire Var team not see his foot was trodden on. That's not a learning curve, its subjective cheating, just as the Var team giving Utd a penalty for a dive by James v Norwich.

The Premier League clarified why several of the decisions were made over the weekend, including on the Firmino goal. It also said that the decision over Alli's handball was not overturned by VAR because it was not a "clear and obvious error" by the referee - citing the pressure Alli was under from Everton's Yerry Mina when the ball struck his hand

It's completely different from Laporte vs Spurs. That was an attacking play and the handball law says that a side gaining possession off an arm means it will be ruled out (Elleray of IFAB has confirmed this interpretation to someone on BlueMoon).

Alli's is a defensive one, and a different standard is applied. The 'under pressure' line is very strange though, as this isn't a standard and isn't anywhere under the laws as far as I know, and almost certainly can't be reffed consistently. His arm was above his head for no good reason, and I think it should have been given. The explanation looks like flannel to muddy things more.

The Silva/Bournemouth incident was in the period when they were overturning nothing - the last two weeks seem to be under a different approach.
 

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