Var debate 2019/20

[cleavers]

I was watching that? I am not sure I believe him.

I can't see why he would lie about it, he said it was very new technology.

They could showcase it all on Football Focus, BBC, Sky etc to show us all exactly how they do it.

Yes they should it might help people accept it more easily, they've done it for players and managers by inviting them in to look at it.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

That’s absolutely not true. The proof is the time it takes for a decision to be made. Goal line technology is instant because it is computer generated, offsides take time because there’s human interaction.

This is the problem, there is definitive ways to computer generate offsides but it’s not in use for some “unknown” reason. We all know why.

actually it's very easy using machine learning imagery classification techniques see Tensorflow or Pytorch for more info

 

[kaz7]

From PIGMOL,clear and obvious error is not a mm offside

VAR will monitor the matches but will be used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations:

•Goals

•Penalty decisions

•Direct red card incidents

•Mistaken identity

The final decisions wil be made by the onfield referee

Assistant referees will not flag for tight offside decisions

Factual decisions, such as offside or if a foul was committed inside or outside the penalty area, will not be subject to the "clear and obvious error" test.

 

[ballinio]

From PIGMOL,clear and obvious error is not a mm offside

VAR will monitor the matches but will be used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations:

•Goals

•Penalty decisions

•Direct red card incidents

•Mistaken identity

The final decisions wil be made by the onfield referee

Assistant referees will not flag for tight offside decisions

Factual decisions, such as offside or if a foul was committed inside or outside the penalty area, will not be subject to the "clear and obvious error" test.

They lied

 

[bluemick1]

I take it that you weren’t there today, as no one in the crowd knew what was happening

 

[salfordbluetrue]

That's what Walton said today, its technology that decides, and its very accurate.

The managers and captains were all shown it in action last week, and were very happy with it, today's took no real time at all, the lines we see are for clarity only, perhaps that is why we didn't have it last year, they were designing the technology to work it.

The replays of the 2 off sides had 2 different angles shown ` at least on the tv station i watched` personally i thought VAR got both wrong, but it will never be accurate even if it was honest trying to get millimeters right when you do not know when the ball was released is just the start of tv companies ruining match day goers entertainment.
Of the VAR sytems i have watched over the last few years the one where the Ref runs the game until there is a clear mistake , then VAR informs him and a replay is shown to the fans and players, no delays and no minuscule off sides is the best one,
As for the penalty why did VAR not spot the goalkeeper coming off his line?

 

[bluemick1]

Sorry, meant for Hgblue

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

If they want to judge an offside position in millimetres then they need an appropriate camera speed to establish exact points of:
A - the ball contact, being touched in the motion of making the pass (the generally accepted point the pass is made, not when it leaves the foot)
B - the position of the players relative to one another.

24 frames per second generates too big an error to measure mm as definitive no matter what tech is in place. Therefore there should be an appropriate error of measurement included. I expect the goal today would be inside that tolerance.
It was a beautiful bit of one touch football where we cut them apart. A great goal denied by complete bollocks.

 

[kaz7]

They lied

That was on their site on wed,they are going against their own rules

 

[cleavers]

The replays of the 2 off sides had 2 different angles shown ` at least on the tv station i watched` personally i thought VAR got both wrong, but it will never be accurate even if it was honest trying to get millimeters right when you do not know when the ball was released is just the start of tv companies ruining match day goers entertainment.

I thought the same as you for both, but as I have just said Walton was explaining that the technology was very accurate, so it can't be just the replays we are seeing, they must be using something else, the replays are just for TV (and stadium use*). It was news to me that they were using technology.



*apart from clubs who can't afford screens obviously

 

[cleavers]

As for the penalty why did VAR not spot the goalkeeper coming off his line?

PL have decided not use VAR for that, its the on pitch officials job.

 

[Blueknows]

VAR will be fine , Pep is happy with it...why do you think the rags and red scouse are against it ?

 

[salfordbluetrue]

I thought the same as you for both, but as I have just said Walton was explaining that the technology was very accurate, so it can't be just the replays we are seeing, they must be using something else, the replays are just for TV (and stadium use*). It was news to me that they were using technology.



*apart from clubs who can't afford screens obviously

Petty sure the tv`s for the fans was part of the delay

 

[Blueknows]

I thought the same as you for both, but as I have just said Walton was explaining that the technology was very accurate, so it can't be just the replays we are seeing, they must be using something else, the replays are just for TV (and stadium use*). It was news to me that they were using technology.



*apart from clubs who can't afford screens obviously

would that be the 2 biggest clubs in the history of world football , that voted against it and supposedly cannot afford a big screen

 

[RabidCity]

Really disliked the VAR influence on the game - the two offsides, penalty retake etc all unnecessary.
It should be a clear error, like in cricket, not the hair of his armpit afro marginally offside. Jokes.

 

[Blueknows]

From PIGMOL,clear and obvious error is not a mm offside

VAR will monitor the matches but will be used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations:

•Goals

•Penalty decisions

•Direct red card incidents

•Mistaken identity

The final decisions wil be made by the onfield referee

Assistant referees will not flag for tight offside decisions

Factual decisions, such as offside or if a foul was committed inside or outside the penalty area, will not be subject to the "clear and obvious error" test.

Assistant referees will not flag for tight offside decisions obviously it didn't apply at anfield last night or probably wont at the swamp

 

[Lancet Fluke]

PL have decided not use VAR for that, its the on pitch officials job.

Have they said why? Seems pretty arbitrary to not bother with that one particular aspect.

 

[Ubiquitous]

I don’t know if this has been said in his huge thread, but VAR is even worse when you are listening on the radio as you generally have no idea if a ‘goal’ looks ‘dodgy’ in real time like you can when you’re watching on tv or to a lesser extent, in the stands.

I listened to the game on talkshite and the not-third just sounded like a great goal until about a minute later. The real-third sounded like there was no issue as well. The commentators are going to have to adjust how they react to goals to quickly identify if VAR may be an issue or not to inform the listeners.

 

[TINY]

Stopping me celebrating now. Think this will be my last year as SC holder, 32 years strong but it’s ruining it for me

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

This is from june so sorry to bore you all again but it makes so much sense:

A simple change to the offside law that if ANY PART of the attacker is level then he is ONSIDE. It makes it easier for all to see and hopefully means more goals and hence more entertainment which after all is why we love the game so much anyway.

All other parts of the game require the ball to have completely crossed the line for a goal, throw in etc. so why wouldn't the same principle apply for offside that the player has to be completely beyond the defender. Wait till there's an issue like today but the defender is 60m the other side of the pitch to the attacker. How can it then be claimed that the attacker is gaining an advantage?

Somebody will she beat me to it but didn't we seem to be going down a path (probably about 10 years ago) that there needed to be daylight between the last defender and forward?