Var debate 2019/20

[bennyboy]

The main thing is consistency and correct decisions.
On that score it has been a good weekend for var so far.

 

[Segga]

I was of the understanding that VAR was for clear and obvious mistakes and for me the offside decision for Sterling was ridiculous. The way this is going ruins the spontaneity of the game.

Also, they measured from Sterling’s shoulder yesterday but the Liverpool one from last season was measured from the players feet. It doesn’t seem to be a very consistent approach.

Forget the clear and obvious for goals. Every goal is getting reviewed for offsides, handballs, fouls in the build up etc.

 

[Blue Maverick]

And there you have it: "like they do in American football". What better words could have been written to show why this shite should be nowhere near a football match?

I agree mate it’s just a suggestion

 

[ctid1894]

so it works for all the other 17 clubs but United and Livepool's goals get through the net, 'pardon the pun' i'd say they the FA need investigating rather than introducing VAR

Very true, although the introduction of predetermined standards of use for VAR would put some of the future question marks to bed.

 

[ctid1894]

According to the FA... Website

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched**

And

The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

Surely it cannot be that difficult to implement technology that automatically identifies which frame was the first touch of the ball and take that judgment out of the hands of a human operator. Actually to ensure benefit of doubt is given to the attacking side it should be the frame before the first touch.

If that is the case then Sterling was onside when he played in Jesus, as well as the in the “dink” over the keeper goal.

 

[SWP's back]

I was of the understanding that VAR was for clear and obvious mistakes and for me the offside decision for Sterling was ridiculous.

You misunderstood.

The offside law isn’t required to meet the “clear and obvious test” when a goal is scored and every goal is reviewed for offside.

 

[ctid1894]

Why was the offside in the lead up to the United penalty against Chelsea not referred to VAR?

 

[SWP's back]

Also, they measured from Sterling’s shoulder yesterday but the Liverpool one from last season was measured from the players feet. It doesn’t seem to be a very consistent approach.

It is precisely because of errors like the one you quote that VAR is in place.

 

[MillisleBlue]

Why was the offside in the lead up to the United penalty against Chelsea not referred to VAR?

Global commercial and sponsorship considerations...

 

[Gordyola]

The main thing is consistency and correct decisions.
On that score it has been a good weekend for var so far.

You clearly haven’t seen how Andy Gray has brought it into question 28/seconds is not enough to determine for sure when the ball was kicked

 

[blueparrot]

And there you have it: "like they do in American football". What better words could have been written to show why this shite should be nowhere near a football match?

Not too bothered but don’t know why using it in American football or Rugby make it a bad idea.

 

[M12Blue]

Why was the offside in the lead up to the United penalty against Chelsea not referred to VAR?

Surprisingly it was despite rashford being 5 years off. Or was there another one

 

[Gordyola]

According to the FA... Website

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched**

And

The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

Surely it cannot be that difficult to implement technology that automatically identifies which frame was the first touch of the ball and take that judgment out of the hands of a human operator. Actually to ensure benefit of doubt is given to the attacking side it should be the frame before the first touch.

Artificial Intelligence could be used but the issue is there isnt enough frames to determine 28/sec is the current Tv standard

 

[SWP's back]

Artificial Intelligence could be used but the issue is there isnt enough frames to determine 28/sec is the current Tv standard

Ha. You think 4K ultra HD cameras are filming at 28 frames per second?

 

[SWP's back]

You clearly haven’t seen how Andy Gray has brought it into question 28/seconds is not enough to determine for sure when the ball was kicked

Andy is wrong on it being filmed at 28 frames per second as he is wrong on virtually every thing.

 

[M12Blue]

Andy is wrong on it being filmed at 28 frames per second as he is wrong on virtually every thing.

Harsh, I thought he was better yesterday and pretty good on var yesterday. I do take your point though

 

[Gordyola]

Andy is wrong on it being filmed at 28 frames per second as he is wrong on virtually every thing.

Andy Gray will get his information from the technicians that he is surrounded by in a Tv studio If you watch the video he explains this and demonstrates the difference between each frame on both of the City goals

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

Normal TV cameras film at 25 fps.
Not sure the resolution makes any difference. It takes special high speed rate cameras to take film at faster
rates. This explains it well.
https://www.borrowlenses.com/blog/intro-to-video-frame-rates-and-frames-per-second-shooting-speeds/

 

[blue moony]

Why was there no VAR review in the rags 3rd and 4th goal ??


Rashford looked close to being offside and A Chelsea player was fouled / head injury for the 4th

Already selective reviews going on

 

[Gordyola]

Ha. You think 4K ultra HD cameras are filming at 28 frames per second?

I think you are confused between frame and quality In fact increasing the quality and the number of frames would make the data size huge and the band width to broadcast would not be feasible for most consumers