Var debate 2019/20

[nellyonthewing]

Who are these VAR twats in a hut somewhere with their rag shirts on.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

There is zero point in penalty decisions being “clear and obvious” whilst innocuous accidental handballs are classed as being definitive. It’s completely counter intuitive and makes a mockery of their own rules.

Technology isn’t the issue, the interpretation of their own rules that is.

So far we’ve seen three goals disallowed in the last two league games and CL game and it’s beyond a joke.

This.

VAR rules have gone too far and they have now ruined TWO games against zSpurs, not to mention the other games!

 

[Mr HJ]

This moment is why VAR is wrong in it's current format. The goal was correctly ruled out but the clip illustrates why the system is so flawed and will be regarded as biased against certain teams - Us!

 

[Beanhead]

By the letter of the law no goal.. but... the Rodri chock was a foul anywhere on the pitch.. a blatant one at that... a yellow. So a clear pen. Rodri screamed so Oliver heard.. the commentary picked up on it. This means it must have been reviewed so if that was the case VAR doesn’t work as it was a faaaaaar more obvious infringement on the rules. So If VAR is that selective that is who we are in a title race with.

Sad times...

 

[Damocles]

For someone who's supposed to be a mod, you've got a big fucking attitude problem. Hopefully some day, someone will sort it out.

Noone has managed to yet despite many attempts.

 

[ws01]

If you can't celebrate a goal then football is dead.

That's inherently the biggest problem I'd say. Football fans are steeped in a certain culture, different from fans of other sports. This extends to when a scoring event occurs. Goals are so rare in a game (relatively) that naturally they are celebrated very hard.

The deflating feeling after a goal is overturned is not worth the introduction of the technology and any perceived increase in decision 'consistency'. Fans care far, far more about the natural flow amd habits of the game as opposed to a ref getting every single decision right. You are blind robbing the fans of precious moments of euphoria throughout a match. If the officials on the ground cannot do their job by picking something up then improve THEM, not take this piss weak option of trying to get technology to do their job for them.

 

[Fame Monster]

Anyone got a picture of the pens that Oliver gave to Salah last season next to a picture of Rodri being strangled?

 

[SebastianBlue]

I should have learned after the CL semi-final second leg. I celebrated for a good 30 seconds to release all of the built-up tension from what came before, and I did the same again today.

And now I feel drained and dejected.

It’s not a loss, and probably shouldn’t feel that way, but VAR made it feel like one to me, mostly because of the celebration and then dejection.

 

[WEMBLEY76]

The ball changed direction after it hit his arm.

 

[deano ou812]

Arms around the neck pulling down Rodri = No penalty....clearly not a “clear and obvious ‘mistake’” (as if these refs are going to call their mate on a clear and obvious mistake unless someone loses a leg in a challenge?!
Sterling pulls back full back = Foul and yellow card

However, on the “goal,” it is simply the introduction of a completely stupid rule and VAR doing what it was told to do!!!

That said, I’d like to see multiple angles, because that ball goes between the players (Laporte and Skipp) and while we all are treated to the “fact” that it hits Laporte on the arm (not him hand balling it, of course!) does it also hit Skipp on the arm?

And, if it did, would it be a penalty???? Answer = NO!!! RIDICULOUS!!

So, as they say, it all evens itself out in the long run...let’s see how this season’s VAR plays out, because we’ve been fucked HARD so far!!!

If it hits the spurs player on the arm or even grazes his arm it’s a stonewall pen according to these new rules,but don’t think it did ..

 

[mardon85]

That's inherently the biggest problem I'd say. Football fans are steeped in a certain culture, different from fans of other sports. This extends to when a scoring event occurs. Goals are so rare in a game (relatively) that naturally they are celebrated very hard.

The deflating feeling after a goal is overturned is not worth the introduction of the technology and any perceived increase in decision 'consistency'. Fans care far, far more about the natural flow amd habits of the game as opposed to a ref getting every single decision right. You are blind robbing the fans of precious moments of euphoria throughout a match. If the officials on the ground cannot do their job by picking something up then improve THEM, not take this piss weak option of trying to get technology to do their job for them.

They aren't correct though if they miss that penalty that's what fucks me off.

 

[ws01]

It would just mean EVERYTHING is challenged!

You limit the challenges, ala Cricket or Tennis, and have a short timeframe in which they can raise it. You also restrict the challenging authority to the captain or coach only.

Again, I don't think that's great. But it removes a lot of the perceived bias and ambiguity of it

 

[Barcon]

I always expect us to get fucked over when the spineless maggot has the whistle. I would love him to explain the non pen and yellow to Sterling decisions. These tests should be interviewed after the match.

 

[cucumberman]

I don’t have anything against VAR but the humans that decide when to use and not use them.

Why did VAR not highlight the intentional rugby tackle that should have been penalised in the first half but focused on the unintentional brush of the hand in the second half? Both are penalised in the new rule book yet one has been glossed over.

Because it is still a subjective system dictated by humans. Until VAR is dictated by artificial intelligence that algorithmically detect events to penalise, VAR is shit if the refs behind them cherrypick the events to focus on.

Looks like how VAR benefits a team depends largely on the panel of refs behind the system.

 

[bondsman]

End of debate isn’t it? Just left game and rarely felt so deflated. I’m sure all the armchair fans like the drama of VAR I didn’t pay for my season ticket to not be able to celebrate a goal. It’s killing football.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

You limit the challenges, ala Cricket or Tennis, and have a short timeframe in which they can raise it. You also restrict the challenging authority to the captain or coach only.

Again, I don't think that's great. But it removes a lot of the perceived bias and ambiguity of it

How? We would have challenged the pen to no affect. Get real.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

If it hits the spurs player on the arm or even grazes his arm it’s a stonewall pen according to these new rules,but don’t think it did ..

I don’t think it is, is it? Do you have the rule change for the defender?

 

[ws01]

The ball changed direction after it hit his arm.

Yes I'm sure you could tell that from the low, blurry, back of the body footage which they based their decision on.

 

[Bigga]

It would just mean EVERYTHING is challenged!

No, the original idea was a 2 challenge system per half. If you're challenging a tackle, that would be fooking stupid, especially if it's shown as the oppo got the ball.

You use them in potential game changing situations.

We'd have challenged the non pen and I absolutely guarantee nobody would have challenged Jesus' goal.

Nobody had their hands up or hounded the ref.

It's a no brainer.

 

[sam 1980]

The ball changed direction after it hit his arm.

As gutting as it maybe it was the right decision rules are rules. I’m more fuming over the penalty not been given