Var debate 2019/20

[Blue Mooner]

The whole point of bringing new technology into the game was to make more decisions correct, be that goal line technology or VAR.

In fact in the CL last year, any time delay for VAR and pitchside monitor review was supported on that basis, eg yes , it's taking time,

this will improve as its introduction continues, however, we are making more decisions correct, so less games are being decided by

an incorrect call. The PL version on offside, in or outside of the box, ball striking an attackers hand leadng to a goal [albeit using the

PL interpretation of the IFAB Law] are all using videotechnology to determine the correct decision. However, on penalties, they have

decided to not to use the technology to come to the correct decision. The PL have set a different parameter, that gives a farcical

situation whereby VAR using all the technology at hand will merely, if onfield ref gives the penalty, they will review and agree a penalty,

or if ref doesnt award the penalty, they will also agree, eg it's not a penalty. So same VAR review will give x2 different decisions based on

same video analysis. So is VAR all about getting decision correct or isnt it? Exactly the same, with goalkeeper encroachment on penalties.

No Var review, it's all down to onfield officials to get it correct without using the technology that's there and used for encroachment for any

outfield player using VAR review. They are happy to reinforce the Sterling West Ham and Laporte Spurs incidents stating we came to correct

decision, as VAR technology was used and evidence proved it was correct decision, [again using PL interpretations]. However, they refuse

to use same technology & argument to substantiate whether correct decision is made for any goalkeeper encroachment on a penalty kick.

But it isnt going to change until next season, if then. So after first few round of games we will get used to it. However, will come to a head when

a cup final, relegation or title or CL place is won or denied later in the year when a last minute penalty is awarded or denied, when video replay

shows and all pundits disagree with VAR review, eg VAR official merely siding with onfield referee decision whether correct or an incorrect one.

It will change once they have managed to help Liverpool win the league. If Mo Salah's slight shirt pull is a penalty but Rodri"s isn't there is something corrupt at the heart of football.

I will change that view when and if I see the rags or Liverpool lose points on the basis of an unseen unknown VAR call two minutes after their whole support have been celebrating a goal and that robs them of points with no comeback. Not a non awarded penalty decision after you've already been awarded one in the same game and two in the previous two.

The spurs non penalty was a disgrace as well but then the rags have to compete with that lot for a champs league space...

We were sold VAR on the basis that it would be eliminating referee human error as far as possible, giving a second chance to review game changing decisions and yet they have somehow managed to create MORE contention than before its introduction.

Only a corrupt organisation could create such a sh*t show out of something that should be so straightforward to implement.

 

[flook]

This is what I was trying to quote live in real time. They’re absolutely correct.

Andy Gray in talking sense shocker, he's bang on tbf

 

[Blue Coop]

The rules are too unclear for VAR. The fact that we can watch a replay of something 5/6 times and not know if VAR is going to rule it a penalty or not is just bizarre. Look at the Kane incident yesterday, pundits and viewers must have thought penalty when that went to review but no penalty decided. It’s all a big grey area and there will be inconsistencies, and that’s what will undo what should be a good addition to the game.

 

[give it to gordon]

If the ref says he didn't miss the contact he just thought it was minimal then it won't get overturned.
If he said there was no contact it would have been given as a pen

Well that is just plain daft !! Both pens the contact wasnt minimal ! So for VAR to be used the match ref has to admit that he missed something, cant see many refs admitting to their bosses that they missed something.

So going by that the ref thought both arms around his neck and being pulled to the ground was minimal contact. And the stamp on Silvas foot was only a small stamp. Perhaps both those refs should be removed to ref sunday league matches...

 

[SWP's back]

If Mo Salah's slight shirt pull is a penalty but Rodri"s isn't there is something corrupt at the heart of football.

That’s down to the refs on field.

 

[waspish]

Should make referees act out the blatant pens they dont give in games so marrinor should get his foot stamped on when going through to have a shot then he might understand why players go down!

 

[swinton blue]

Regarding var now with penalties they have set the bar
For me if the on field decision is no penalty then under no circumstance can they look at it and overturn the decision based on what I've seen in sundays game
As soon as one decision is overturned there will be uproar and serious calls from clubs for var to be scrapped

 

[ballinio]

Regarding var now with penalties they have set the bar
For me if the on field decision is no penalty then under no circumstance can they look at it and overturn the decision based on what I've seen in sundays game
As soon as one decision is overturned there will be uproar and serious calls from clubs for var to be scrapped

Hopefully

 

[SWP's back]

Regarding var now with penalties they have set the bar
For me if the on field decision is no penalty then under no circumstance can they look at it and overturn the decision based on what I've seen in sundays game
As soon as one decision is overturned there will be uproar and serious calls from clubs for var to be scrapped

To be fair, they haven’t overturned any of 32 reviews for penalties (both ones that were given or not given) I’ve read this morning.

There’s literally no point in reviewing them at present.

 

[waspish]

To be fair, they haven’t overturned any of 32 reviews for penalties (both ones that were given or not given) I’ve read this morning.

There’s literally no point in reviewing them at present.

So no change refs can still make wrong decisions even with var and not be challenged!

 

[SWP's back]

So no change refs can still make wrong decisions even with var and not be challenged!

Yep and as always, Liverpool receive the soft ones and we are denied two stonewall penalties (by the idiot ref on the pitch).

Var was meant to even that up but it’s completely fucking impotent on penalties as they are ‘subjective’. Why the PL decided not to use the pitchside monitorstjat they actually have in place (unlike the rest of Europe), fuck only knows. They’ll simply have to change that.

 

[dadnlad]

Contact is contact

 

[bluelol]

Man City 0 - VAR/Ref 3

 

[razman]

On point

 

[Fabled mabel]

Is it right that there is a monitor for the match ref to look at and yet it haws not been used? I thought the whole point of VAR was to draw attention to things the match officials might have missed and to allow them to have another, closer look. I don't think it was ever meant for the new boy in the box to have the final say so.

The match ref HAS to be in charge - he can make mistakes or have his view obstructed, so he should be seen to have another look at the suggestion of the VAR man. There is no shame in missing things. Anyone can make a mistake -admitting it would create a better impression of refs than the arrogant 'I am always right and my mate in the VAR box agrees' does them no credit.

Anyone remember the good old days not so long ago when the liner (sorry the assistant referee is better) would intervene and help the ref with something he missed. They are miked up ffs - it's not hard and in the really olden days a decent determined liner would stay put with his flag in the air until the match ref saw it and went to see what he had seen.

I never thought I would ever agree with something Andy Gray and his side kicks said but he shows the probs with frame speed and the moment the ball is touched.

 

[give it to gordon]

does anyone think that City will play a game this season and we wont be talking about VAR after the game ??

 

[lonestay]

So what can we take from the weekend games ?
1/ dippers are the chosen team for the title
2/ Spurs , scum, Arsenal in fact anyone but City would be the chosen running mates alongside them, but not threaten dippers, but they are not good enough so City it is to give the impression that it is an open contest.

3/ the above named teams are useful to the prem to deflect criticism from var that is their value to the prem at this point in the season .
4/ once dippers have been given a useful headstart we will probably find that VAR decisions will start to be given to us in certain games ie. Games we have already got a decent score and the game is effectively over, and so the only thing prem can salvage from the game is the appearance of parity for VAR.
5/at some point when it is to late in the season, the var rules will be amended by the prem in some big showy way that is designed to get us to forget the start of the season and the blatant help the prem gave to the dippers in being handed the title.

 

[Stoned Rose]

538 pages.

I can assist you all.

It’s shit and it’s bent.

 

[eastmanc]

Is it right that there is a monitor for the match ref to look at and yet it haws not been used? I thought the whole point of VAR was to draw attention to things the match officials might have missed and to allow them to have another, closer look. I don't think it was ever meant for the new boy in the box to have the final say so.

The match ref HAS to be in charge - he can make mistakes or have his view obstructed, so he should be seen to have another look at the suggestion of the VAR man. There is no shame in missing things. Anyone can make a mistake -admitting it would create a better impression of refs than the arrogant 'I am always right and my mate in the VAR box agrees' does them no credit.

Anyone remember the good old days not so long ago when the liner (sorry the assistant referee is better) would intervene and help the ref with something he missed. They are miked up ffs - it's not hard and in the really olden days a decent determined liner would stay put with his flag in the air until the match ref saw it and went to see what he had seen.

I never thought I would ever agree with something Andy Gray and his side kicks said but he shows the probs with frame speed and the moment the ball is touched.

Excellent post and yes, apparently there is a monitor at the side of the pitch. Watched some post on you tube post after the Spurs game where Glenn Hoddle pointed out that the ref didn’t want to keep going over to it because it would add too much time on at the end of the each game. Well, why have it at all if they’re not going to use it.

 

[swinton blue]

To be fair, they haven’t overturned any of 32 reviews for penalties (both ones that were given or not given) I’ve read this morning.

There’s literally no point in reviewing them at present.

Exactly
If there was one decision they could have overturned to say var was for the good of the game it was our pen yesterday
A stamp on the foot like that is not subjective
They can make up excuses with the pushing and pulling penalties but not our one
I would like to here swarbricks excuse for the stamp