It is the clear and obvious that needs binning , use the monitors more and not just for overturning decisions for goals but for dives and the like . I would also like to know why city players get booked for diving when a replay for those at home shows they were fouled and other teams players are not getting booked for blatant divesboth shouldn't have been awarded in my opinion but the ref deemed there was enough contact to award penalty and VAR tend to not overturn the refs decision unless 100% clear and obvious. I'd like Var to tell refs that even though there was contact it was minimal and book the divers. that would be preferred.
Pre VAR and the ref awards them penalties WITHOUT any contact as what did happen many many times with Salah and co.
As a side note, I think this has been the most cordial and decent debate that we’ve had in here for ages.
I think we all want the same thing in getting as many decisions right as possible, it’s just how we all get to that point being different.
That dive in the dippers game was a classic example of a difficult / subjective decision that is always going to be controversial.both shouldn't have been awarded in my opinion but the ref deemed there was enough contact to award penalty and VAR tend to not overturn the refs decision unless 100% clear and obvious. I'd like Var to tell refs that even though there was contact it was minimal and book the divers. that would be preferred.
Pre VAR and the ref awards them penalties WITHOUT any contact as what did happen many many times with Salah and co.
This keeping the flag down is a cover for the time it takes var to have a word down the ear , it is a nonsense to keep the flag down when a player is obviously offside , the defenders are knocked off their stride when they hesitate or in johns case they continue and get injuredthe laws of the game at the moment arent fit for purpose especially this not blowing up until the play is dead on offside, not only does it run the risk of unnecessary injury as we have seen but it also gives teams corners quite often that they shouldnt have had.
The main problem with var is the believe that it exonerates refs of all responsibility when it doesnt, var should be a tool to help refs it should not exonerate them of patently poor refereeing or being called out for it.
In the words of tash ....."What do you achieve with provocative posts like this"yep much better, never got the anger over very small difference of opinion on this subject.
There's 1 or 2 in here that are just desperate to stir up an argument and scream WUM over something they disagree with.
That dive in the dippers game was a classic example of a difficult / subjective decision that is always going to be controversial.
With the benefit of replays I'd guess 9 out of 10 call that a dive but live I thought it was a pen and I reckon many others would have. There was some contact and that's enough for many but only with replay can you see the contact was minimal. It's then a case of at what point Do you want VAR involved. Going by the current approach the ref had to make a difficult decision and VAR decided not to get involved as they have to make a call on 'clear and obvious'.
There will always be arguments around the subjective calls. VAR helps get more right at a cost of the time it takes. But there will always be decisions to make and mistakes will be made.
Just on a side note regarding this. I also questioned why he didnt get a yellow. I saw on twitter the explanation, apparently if the ref plays advantage for a foul which is deemed to be interfering or stopping a promising attack then the advantage overrules the yellow ie they didn't actually stop the attack.One of the biggest contradictions for referees (and I've experienced the same whilst cricket umpiring in recent years) is that people scream for both consistency and common sense, when in reality, they're mutually exclusive.
Last night Taylor waved "play-on" after a blatant shirt pull by Joelinton, and there was a natural assumption that he'd give a yellow card at the next stoppage.
It was changed though because of the number of times the assistant was getting the 'obvious' offsides wrongThis keeping the flag down is a cover for the time it takes var to have a word down the ear , it is a nonsense to keep the flag down when a player is obviously offside , the defenders are knocked off their stride when they hesitate or in johns case they continue and get injured