VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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Alan Harper's Tash said:
The media thread is pointless bar venting spleens. Social media bubbles have made people immune to reading or hearing criticism. Hence all commentators are awful as well.

Politics affects peoples’ lives and is more important to me than other topics.

Anyway, back to this thread’s topic, VAR has highlighted the high number of subjective calls made by referees in football and the LOTG weren’t written with forensic scrutiny from 15 camera angles in slow motion.

Hence we have this mess now that Webb has made worse.

Clear and obvious needs binning. Not re-refereeing needs binning. It seems VAR is scared to overturn onfield decisions unless they can’t back them up at all.

The penalty conversation last night should have been:

“There’s contact, penalty”

“Ok, We can see that Anthony, but he takes two further steps before falling to the ground, so we suggest you look at it again as we don’t think the contact has made him fall over.”

How that is written in the LOTG, I don’t know, but maybe we need to work backwards from the outcome we want to happen rather than tying ourselves up in knots with billions of sub-laws.
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“Contact” is not a foul in the LOTG, but somehow almost any contact in the box is cause for a flop and a penalty.

I honestly didn’t think either penalty given was one. They both dived. In fact, I’d venture 50%+ penalties that fall under the “There’s contact, it’s penalty” umbrella are literal dives where the contact is not even close to that required to send a grown man to the ground. They are “bought,” in the parlance of the day.

Football as I knew it is gone and we have a new spectacle that is so driven by the money that comes from success (or loss of money from failure) that almost anything is considered fair game to win.

Whether legally corrupt or not, the GAME OF FOOTBALL has been corrupted by cheats we used to mock and now we laud, especially when they’re on our own team.
 
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You can bet if an already booked Rodri made the same challenge as Joelinton, then the
Ref would not be playing advantage to the opposition, no matter how advantageous it
would have been, he'd be out with a 2nd yellow and a red for Rodri at once.....
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s supposed to be for times where the assistant isn’t 100% sure that the player is offside.

So, 50-99% sure, then the attack will carry on and be flagged at the end of the pahse of play.

0-50% and the flag stays down and play carries on as normal unless a goal is scored and the offside is then checked.
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With all due respect the above is utter bollox..

Can you tell me why Rashford was allowed to run in on goal at the swamp against us when he was yards, not inches, yards offside..?

Why didn't the linesman flag him offside at the time.?

It wasn't even close to being onside..

I'm not having it that he didn't touch the ball so was deemed to be not interfering with play either..

Every game you see players flagged offside when they're no where near the ball.

Therefore, absolutely no difference to Rashford being in an offside position when our defense stepped up and played him yards offside..

It's corruption and result manipulation in plain sight and it's still going on judging by last night's shit show at Anfield..
 
super_city_si said:
I think it is. Here's the interpretation I saw, which again is a very messy rule open to subjectivity. I would say Taylor got it spot on last night but how many others would make the same call? Is it any surprise there is zero consistency when these are the rules?

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Of course they come out with this to appease the Dippers but no comment over its officials giving and not overturning both penalties plus not giving Newcastles (not a pen for me but if those Dipper ones are then Newcastles was).
Webb somehow has made things a lot worse since he took over
 
Bill the Blue said:
With all due respect the above is utter bollox..

Can you tell me why Rashford was allowed to run in on goal at the swamp against us when he was yards, not inches, yards offside..?

Why didn't the linesman flag him offside at the time.?

It wasn't even close to being onside..

I'm not having it that he didn't touch the ball so was deemed to be not interfering with play either..

Every game you see players flagged offside when they're no where near the ball.

Therefore, absolutely no difference to Rashford being in an offside position when our defense stepped up and played him yards offside..

It's corruption and result manipulation in plain sight and it's still going on judging by last night's shit show at Anfield..
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With as much respect returned, the Rashford one was a mistake, quasi admitted by Webb. The linesman did flag him offside, so he did his job, so the example doesn’t stop the protocol that I outlined above being true.

If the thread is going to have to go through its corruption spleen venting, I won’t comment on that as it’s a reactionary, unproven conspiracy theory.
 
Not sure what the answer is for VAR. At the end of the day a large proportion of, if not all, offences are based on a subjective judgment, normally made in a fraction of a second. All VAR is doing is moving the subjectivity from the onfield team, which drove fans crazy but as least could be understood, to the VAR team, which drives people crazy because they should be able to get it "right". I am on the side that says the disruption to the game and the fans' enjoyment of the game isn't worth the benefit, quite frankly. But I suppose it is here to stay.
 
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