VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Pingu the Penguin]

All 3 decisions were given by the ref though, so would have stood if VAR didn't exist

This argument gets used like it’s some kind of killer point. It really isn’t. You can accept human error from a human. In a video and tech aided system they should be corrected. Otherwise the trade off for tech (loss of spontaneous goal celebrating, time delays) is not a reasonable trade off

 

[danielwood5]

Yeh but that’s fine, no one minded farcical decisions being given apparently, all was fine, we all just laughed and accepted Salah and Kane diving with no contact being awarded penalties , Man Utd getting away with pretty much everything and consequently winning far more trophies. No one even celebrates goals anymore, watch when a goal is scored , the fans just stand there in silence.

Sarcastic and condescending comments like this don't help your case when people are calling you a WUM.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Sarcastic and condescending comments like this don't help your case when people are calling you a WUM.

He’s an odd poster for sure. Painted himself too far into a corner probably, more than an out and out WUM.

When pressed accepts there are serious problems with VAR but seemingly happy for it to continue as football is much better these days than in the 150 or so years pre VAR.

The reference to Salah in that post tho does have all the hallmarks of wumming tho given last night so who knows

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

VAR is here to stay. People forget what it was like pre VAR. Every week there would be a catalogue of errors and calls for video. If we go back it will be just the same.

The problems now are the time it takes and the small number of errors. The time factor is the consequence of fans wanting the right decisions which they invariably do.

And there will always be errors as its all subjective to some extent.

I remember refs getting things wrong, everyone saying how bent the ref was, how he was shit over the weekend but that was it really.

Nowadays its a whole investigation, a Sky sports TV program dedicated to it, apologies from pgmol, threats of clubs taking pgmol to court, endless endless analysis of every incident, every tiny detail. Thats all because of VAR. I am not even including the effect it has had on refs who are now more keen to let VAR handle it, the confusion all of that has caused to the game - Who makes a decision was never an issue before VAR. So many many negative aspects it has brought so it can get a few more decisions correct.

Its obviously an important tool that should be integral to the game which is why I think it should be rolled back and rethought, and certainly not PGMOL in charge of it. (Or whoever it is). But its a tool, it isnt the ref.

 

[city2]

Probably been asked before so why does Rugby have hardly any issues with Var , then is introduced into the premier league and all hell is let lose, all clubs have been fucked over some more than others, and also some teams getting favourable decisions.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Yeh but that’s fine, no one minded farcical decisions being given apparently, all was fine, we all just laughed and accepted Salah and Kane diving with no contact being awarded penalties , Man Utd getting away with pretty much everything and consequently winning far more trophies. No one even celebrates goals anymore, watch when a goal is scored , the fans just stand there in silence.

Once again, people ranted about the on-field decisions because fans will always rant about decisions that go against their team whether they are right or wrong. That's not a valid argument for having VAR. At least, back then people had sympathy for an almost impossible job even if they were ranting. Now they don't because the technology is supposedly there.

Your diving argument just got blown away, unfortunately.

And United are still getting away with as much as they did, they just happen to be crap now.

I can't think of any good reason for VAR as it is currently implemented tbh.

 

[mancboy]

Probably been asked before so why does Rugby have hardly any issues with Var , then is introduced into the premier league and all hell is let lose, all clubs have been fucked over some more than others, and also some teams getting favourable decisions.

quite simply because the conversations in rugby are available for everyone to hear and therefore it builds a trust that there isnt any shenanigans going on, as a previous poster has said until var is laid bare and decisions explained in real time then everyone is going to be suspicious and until there is a level of consistency in explanations then people will think its bent.

Anthony taylor and simon hooper are both grown men who are paid a very good wage to do a job, they have both made appalling decisions which have changed outcomes of games and instead of explaining why they have made those decisions and dealing with the consequences of them, they hide behind webb who issues pointless apologies like they're dad protecting them and that is why it will never change because of lack of consequence.

 

[Gazza]

Like.

I think most linesmen do a brilliant job, but it really is IMPOSSIBLE for them to see two things, involving at least 3 players, at the same time, especially when all 3 of them might well be moving at speed, sometimes in opposite directions…all while they themselves are on the move!

That said, it REALLY pisses me off when they do finally out the flag up but don’t move back up the field where the event occurred! Sometimes, the free kick for the offside is 20-30 yards behind where it actually occurred!

Now they're mic'd up why doesn't the linesman just concentrate on the forward's position and an official with an overall view of the game say 'now' when the player passing has kicked the ball?

 

[Phil1]

The one thing we can all agree on is there’s no longer arguments about decisions wrongly being made. All of that has been cleared up as 262 pages with only 19 games played so far testifies.
A stunning success..

 

[Stephen230]

Now they're mic'd up why doesn't the linesman just concentrate on the forward's position and an official with an overall view of the game say 'now' when the player passing has kicked the ball?