VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[stonerblue]

Point is VAR/officials and refs in the whole history of football get major decisions wrong for all clubs… when VAR was introduced all I debated was that it was bought in solely to benefit Liverpool and Man Utd. No one else. Which was laughable, now them two clubs cry corruption everytime something goes against them, same for every club.

I don’t mind the outcry to improve VAR in all honesty, so many areas of the game have improved because of the level of scrutiny from fans - so that’s a positive, it’s great that going forward there is always a opportunity to improve the system. Will never be perfect and get the odd howler. I can accept that, even if it’s against my team.

What area of the game has var improved r Mark?

 

[55yr old teenager]

I think the bigger question here is why have only liverpool got the audio, why not just release it to the public, whats there to hide

SSN said they were told by Pigmol LiVARpool would get it first, then it would be released generally

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

VAR was solely designed to benefit Liverpool and Man Utd, a fair few actually believed that.

When Richard Sctudamore let slip in August 2016 that the PL had a 'strategic plan' to put a new name on the trophy every few years it was pre-VAR, which came in 2019-20. Curiously, that was the same season Livepool won their first title in 30 years.

Probably just coincidence.

 

[bluemanchester]

Don't know if previously posted but we do seem to live rent free in their heads;-)
They even quote a game from last century!
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[carlosthejackal]

VAR is a complete shit show as highlighted at the weekend, feel sorry for Brighton on Saturday because be under no doubt the powers that be will be levelling up when they play Liverpool

 

[BlueHammer85]

What area of the game has var improved r Mark?

Offsides - far more are correctly given nowadays than prior VAR , in fact it highlights just how wrong linesman get it wrong so often (still get the odd howler)

Red card incidences - still a matter of judgement most of time, but now a ref can hear from officials seeing the challenge from all angles and also have a look on the screen himself (still get the odd howler)

Clear diving for penalty - can’t recall a no contact clear dive this season being awarded a penalty- felt a weekly basis prior VAR with Salah, Kane, Ronaldo and co

Ball over line decisions - much more clarity with video tech

Excitement- now this one I concede is very much debatable, but I find watching games nowadays quite more exciting with VAR introduced- can also celebrate twice!

Sure there’s many more and there’s no excuses for VAR when it gets it completely wrong.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

SSN have just confirmed that Livarpool have now got the audio.

Have Everton been informed?

 

[pauls]

VAR is a complete shit show as highlighted at the weekend, feel sorry for Brighton on Saturday because be under no doubt the powers that be will be levelling up when they play Liverpool

Not sure, think they'll now have to be AS vigilant they're not favouring Dipperland.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Don't know if previously posted but we do seem to live rent free in their heads;-)
They even quote a game from last century!
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I'm all for a Spurs v Dippers replay but not until we have a replay for the game where Milner was involved by playing one of ours onside but given offside! In fact, there are so many mistakes littering the game since Agueroooooooooooooo finished off the Rags we wouldn't need new fixtures for the next five seasons. We could replay all the ones where PiGMOL have had to apologise for blatant errors.

 

[trublue55]

Offsides - far more are correctly given nowadays than prior VAR , in fact it highlights just how wrong linesman get it wrong so often (still get the odd howler)

Red card incidences - still a matter of judgement most of time, but now a ref can hear from officials seeing the challenge from all angles and also have a look on the screen himself (still get the odd howler)

Clear diving for penalty - can’t recall a no contact clear dive this season being awarded a penalty- felt a weekly basis prior VAR with Salah, Kane, Ronaldo and co

Ball over line decisions - much more clarity with video tech

Excitement- now this one I concede is very much debatable, but I find watching games nowadays quite more exciting with VAR introduced- can also celebrate twice!

Sure there’s many more and there’s no excuses for VAR when it gets it completely wrong.

Can concede most of your points (indeed without VAR, none of this controversy re Saturday would have occurred,) pre VAR on field decision was offside, and that would have stood, however excitement is NOT debatable. Previously if the lino wasn't flagging you could celebrate a goal. Now , no point in celebrating until opposition kick off . i think most honest people would say when we score (hopefully they can't find anything wrong), that not excitement , its as worrying as a penalty,, and if the goal is given, that's not joy, its relief.
That part of the game, for a match going fan has gone, probably forever !

 

[freshie]

 

[carlosthejackal]

Not sure, think they'll now have to be AS vigilant they're not favouring Dipperland.

Hopefully

 

[TinFoilHat]

It was a legitimate fuck up listening to that audio.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Now that that fuck up has been cleared up. Can we have the audio for why Rashford was allowed to cheat against us now?

 

[RiversideBlue]

Offsides - far more are correctly given nowadays than prior VAR , in fact it highlights just how wrong linesman get it wrong so often (still get the odd howler)

Red card incidences - still a matter of judgement most of time, but now a ref can hear from officials seeing the challenge from all angles and also have a look on the screen himself (still get the odd howler)

Clear diving for penalty - can’t recall a no contact clear dive this season being awarded a penalty- felt a weekly basis prior VAR with Salah, Kane, Ronaldo and co

Ball over line decisions - much more clarity with video tech

Excitement- now this one I concede is very much debatable, but I find watching games nowadays quite more exciting with VAR introduced- can also celebrate twice!

Sure there’s many more and there’s no excuses for VAR when it gets it completely wrong.

I totally disagree. It's been shambolic for the game. It was meant to clear up obvious errors and that's it.

Offsides - can be manipulated by the drawing of the lines or by choosing the frame where the ball leaves the foot

Red cards - slowing down or freeze framing often makes a tackle look worse than it was and they wouldn't be give if only seen at real speed.

Clear dive for a penalty - should always have been a straight red, it would have disappeared from the game immediately. VAR hasn't helped there.

Ball over the line - goal line technology is fine
VAR is hardly ever used for the touchlines or goal lines. When it has been used it's been controversial remember the world cup incident.

Excitement - it might add something for the TV fan but for match going fans you can't celebrate a goal until the kick off, stopping any spontinaity.

Fuck VAR

 

[RiversideBlue]

Now that that fuck up has been cleared up. Can we have the audio for why Rashford was allowed to cheat against us now?

If we'd have said the decision brought the integrity of the sport into question, threatened further action and demanded the audio recording we'd probably have been given a points deduction.

 

[pudge]

"Are you happy with this?"

"Offside, goal, yeah"

Fucking abysmal communication. Sack the cunts.

 

[bluenova]

I don't think they come out of it that badly.

What you do see is that the mistake was spotted by the assistant as soon as the game restarted, but it shows how fast they're having to do things, because by the time they've literally exchanged a couple of sentences, the ball has been down one end and up the other and out for a throw.

It's clear that it's a fuck up, and I assume the protocol will change, so that it's no longer an ambiguous "check complete", but frankly you can see how it happened.

 

[TinFoilHat]

If we'd have said the decision brought the integrity of the sport into question, threatened further action and demanded the audio recording we'd probably have been given a points deduction.

Oh definitely.

The media will be putting a Justice for dippers spin on what sounds like someone not listening and making a cock up.

We've all fucked up on our jobs at some point.

 

[willipp]

What I took from that is how chaotic and rushed it is. It was all over the show, too many people talking and far too rushed. No wonder it’s a fuck up.