VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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BlueHammer85 said:
Ref should have given it and the officials should have told the ref to have a look. the technology is there, it's a great system, just need officials to get all these big ones correct 100% of the time otherwise it's the usual barrage of 'corruption' cries. Was a penalty, nothing more to add.

It won't be the last awful decision with or without VAR, law of averages will always be 1 or 2 every weekend. a lot more without VAR I would guess.
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There was EVERYTHING in place to enable the officials to make the correct decision, yet the didn't. You believe it isn't corruption, and that is your prerogative, but the fact that it is a frequent occurrence at that particular ground, and that particular team, questions need asking.
 
SebastianBlue said:
You understand that most people support tech to help the refs, right?
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You'll be surprised, many just want it completely scrapped and to go back to how it was. Which is absolutely fine by the way, that's their opinion, mine is to keep it and find ways to improve and improve the transparency.

I think already it has shown many signs of progress but still has a long way to go. the major problem is how many perceive situations differently, us as fans and the officials no doubt - VAR has highlighted just how many grey areas there is at times.

The main thing is, if the Ref isn't sure, then he has a opportunity to take a second look. I don't see how this can ever be argued against - otherwise those who are anti VAR and want it scrapped completely are admitting they want to take the blind judgement of a ref and force him to guess.

There's many good arguments against VAR which I take on board. I don't work for the FA or any organization so it's difficult to try and justify every single debatable decision, I do however notice how many times it has prevented a clear offside goal or a penalty that would never have been given and i think for balance that it deserves to be pointed out.

we both want tech help for officials - for me the only way it improves if it it continues and adjusts. small implications at a time and more transparency.

repeating the point though as ever, Outrage and cries of corruption will never stop. It's simply ingrained into some fans and with so much tribal rivalry then any decision they don't agree with is going to be labelled as corrupt. Is it easier for me to try and be balanced on these matters or just jump onboard and call it all corrupt everytime.


** off to hospital for my little one, so will reply tomorrow for people posting to me on this, just in case Kaz and co jump in with the usual hatred why I have gone silent for half a day.
 
TinFoilHat said:
It was damn convenient that Webb could roll out Moss within minutes to apologise. They've not rescinded the yellow given to the wolves manager either for a "mistake" they made.
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The head of refereeing for the PGMOL enjoying corporate hospitality at the same place & time as his refereeing team refused to give a BLATANT penalty against the home team should be a HUGE story.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The head of refereeing for the PGMOL enjoying corporate hospitality at the same place & time as his refereeing team refused to give a BLATANT penalty against the home team should be a HUGE story.
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It would be if it was us and after last nights corruption they have now given the Rags one of their own in Oliver for the tricky looking match v Spurs
 
TinFoilHat said:
It was damn convenient that Webb could roll out Moss within minutes to apologise. They've not rescinded the yellow given to the wolves manager either for a "mistake" they made.
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They won’t be. His actions were his actions, irrespective of the reasons. If a player twatted a referee for giving a penalty that VAR then overturned, they wouldn’t be calling the player back on.
 
In theory, VAR should be a great asset to the game, but overall it isn't.

I believe it's the implementation and personnel that are at fault. I can accept human error on occasions and we'll get that with or without VAR.

There are certain things I don't understand when looking at three incidents from this weekend.

The offsides off Salah and Chillwell and the incident with Onana.

First, with the technology available, why do these decisions take so long? Both looked to the eye to be offside from the freeze frame, assuming it's accurate to when the ball was actually kicked. Something I think there should be more focus on, because I question that sometimes.

If they are intent on reducing time wasting, which I think is a good thing, then it should apply to all areas of the game.

As for the penalty appeal. How can a goalkeeper jump into two players, not be anywhere near the ball and effectively take them both out of the game not get penalized? How?

If any player on the park made a tackle taking a player down and making no contact with the ball, it's a foul all day long and probably a yellow card.

I don't want to join the conspiracy theory band of warriors, but something doesn't add up here...........and corruption and manipulation are two words that come to mind.

By not allowing the discussions and reasoning of the officials to be heard, as they are in other sports, or officials to explain their decisions afterwards, only backs that up in my mind.

I'm not sure why there isn't more pushback on this from the clubs to be honest.


I don't follow other leagues, but do they have the same constant controversial problems in the Bundesliga, Serie A or Ligue 1 for instance?
 
get the big screen on ,and lets hear what the refs are talking about and how they came to their decision, we have the technology ,there is no excuse, rugby use it,and imo really well, there can be no doubt what they are thinking when they go through a decision , why is football refusing this very simple improvement .
 
SebastianBlue said:
You understand that most people support tech to help the refs, right?

Most of us on here would love to have a real video replay system with the main objective of aiding officials to make the correct decisions so teams are not disadvantaged.

I think the vast majority of football fans around the world want that.

The issue is that the current iteration of VAR (specifically in the PL) is not setup to do that, largely because of the farcical insistence on the “clear and obvious error” threshold, which does not exist in most other major sport leagues around the world, for very good reasons.
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The whole premise of VAR was technology to help the on field ref. What we have is multiple people reffing games and the “team” seemingly unable to disagree with each other on the blatantly obvious. Needs binning off and a serious rethink
 
Stephen230 said:
The first “Mic’d up” programme of the season in September will be interesting one way or the other.

The non penalty last night will almost certainly be the most in demand audio from the first month that fans will be interested in hearing.

So we either hear it. Or if they don’t use that clip at least we know the rest of the series won’t really be worth bothering with.
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In September, seriously? Why can't they do it the day after each round of games? I am guessing there will be several more contested and less embarrassing VAR decisions in that time so this be will be overlooked.

I suppose it will all be a carefully stage-managed nothing-burger.
 
halfcenturyup said:
In September, seriously? Why can't they do it the day after each round of games? I am guessing there will be several more contested and less embarrassing VAR decisions in that time so this be will be overlooked.

I suppose it will all be a carefully stage-managed nothing-burger.
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Need time to edit out the "ref bantz"

Example:

OliVAR: Mate, why do you give a yellow?

Pawson: I wasn't gonna give anything Mike because it Citeh.

OliVAR: That's what you should have done and then I could have told Sky check complete and that's it.Already had that Scouse twat in my ear about giving the cunts the third goal.

Pawson: Oh bollocks. Gonna have to do this properly then?

OliVAR: Yes you prick. Go over to the monitor then send him off. Were doing Spurs V United next week and Neville will brief you accordingly.

Pawson: *sighs* Yeah. What lucky cunts we are.
 
halfcenturyup said:
In September, seriously? Why can't they do it the day after each round of games? I am guessing there will be several more contested and less embarrassing VAR decisions in that time so this be will be overlooked.

I suppose it will all be a carefully stage-managed nothing-burger.
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The plan is for one programme every month. I assume the thinking was a bit like Goal of the Month where they don’t bother with August and combine it with September as it’s only a part month.
 
We don't need any other assistance for the ref than a video answer to the simple questions: Is there any reason I cannot award a goal? Is there any reason why I should not send off Number X?

The business of going back nigh on to the warm up to see if there was a sky blue tug on a red shirt ten mins before, and simillar manipulation simply confirms that we have been presented with the shittiest form of video assistance in any sport.
 
Stephen230 said:
The plan is for one programme every month. I assume the thinking was a bit like Goal of the Month where they don’t bother with August and combine it with September as it’s only a part month.
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Oh, I think I know what the thinking is.

I wish I could be as optimistic as you about the whole VAR shitshow. I have always said that referees know the lotg better than anyone else and, if we can only hear how they come to their decisions, we will see that. But that Rashford non-offside goal did for me.
 
Stephen230 said:
The first “Mic’d up” programme of the season in September will be interesting one way or the other.

The non penalty last night will almost certainly be the most in demand audio from the first month that fans will be interested in hearing.

So we either hear it. Or if they don’t use that clip at least we know the rest of the series won’t really be worth bothering with.
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No secret I hate VAR with a passion but if it’s here to stay then we need to change the logic and VAR should ask the ref what they think they saw, and if that’s not what happened then suggest a review on monitor. And it needs to be heard real time in the ground.

VAR to ref “did you see the goalie clatter the player?”

Ref “yes I thought the ball had already been played and the contact from the keeper actually hindered the keeper more”… ok no further review by VAR - the ref may have made a questionable call - it’s his judgement and not an error in itself.

Or ref “the keeper got the ball first then the player”… ok that’s not what happened so suggest you review on the monitor. Here the ref made a mistake in the reasoning for why he didn’t give it.

Although it won’t change offsides and the trigonometry lessons.
 
Thing is, if the PL or PGMOL wanted to cheat the setup is there....

- The C word is not allowed to be mentioned by pundits or tv channels that have bought the PL package.

- Any manager or player accusations of referee cheating result in a ban.

- Fans are not allowed to protest using banners to highlight the poor use of VAR and officiating.

- VAR is basically done in secret, they could actually be deciding who needs the decision, we wouldn't know!

- Awful decisions are the norm so it just gets added to the list of mistakes.

it's the perfect setup for someone to be cheating, no accountability, no punishments, no one checking!!

It's a closed shop and it's quite alarming the amount of unfettered control PGMOL have over the game.

This really needs a manager to put their heads above the parapet and take their players off after things like last night, only then will something be done.

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