VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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hilts said:
You cannot see him when the ball is passed he's out of shot.

Pmsl
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I know that. but one stride back by both players would make him onside.
As I said the 2 videos run side by side you'll get a better picture of the ball leaving the foot and the players on the field.

I also know it is pointless now and nothing can change the result, But it's good to try and point out the cheating scum's power over the officials and VAR,
 
ancoats said:
I know that. but one stride back by both players would make him onside.
As I said the 2 videos run side by side you'll get a better picture of the ball leaving the foot and the players on the field.

I also know it is pointless now and nothing can change the result, But it's good to try and point out the cheating scum's power over the officials and VAR,
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Have you gone back and watched the original tv broadcast?

Wan-Bissaka is the only one running towards the goal. Even an average sprint from a Premier League player is 8 metres in a second, so if one player is running and the other isn't, two players, who were level, can be 4m apart just half a second later.
 
ancoats said:
I know that. but one stride back by both players would make him onside.
As I said the 2 videos run side by side you'll get a better picture of the ball leaving the foot and the players on the field.

I also know it is pointless now and nothing can change the result, But it's good to try and point out the cheating scum's power over the officials and VAR,
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Seriously mate give it up this conspiracy shit is becoming tedious. Coventry winning that game would have been great for the FA and the cup. Do you know how many people would need to be involved in this sort of cover up.
 
Cassandra said:
In my eyes the biggest issue with VAR is that it has highlighted problems with the way the laws are constructed and consequently in the law makers and law enforcers. Previously it was possible to hide behind the “referee only has a split second to make a decision and only gets one view of an incident” excuse. Now we see that even with more angles and more times many strange looking decisions are still being made. That does’t deny that some absolute errors have been eliminated.

There are a number of problems with the laws and the law makers. The main one is that they lack a description of the purpose of each law and attempt to cover the minute detail instead. and. Most real life incidents don’t quite fit neatly into the descriptors. The laws are written in a way suitable for a standard operating system for an engineering process where everything is standardised but not really for judging a dynamic game where virtually nothing is standardised. This is compounded by a complete failure to understand the science of measurement and the concept of errors in any measurement. Hence the minutely separated offside measurements which are pretty much swamped by the errors in the measurement systems.

All of the above is compounded by a culture of secrecy and lack of transparency, including an apparent (to the general public at any rate) lack of any objective assessment of refereeing performance.
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But, apart from all that, you are saying it's OK?
 
halfcenturyup said:
But, apart from all that, you are saying it's OK?
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Yep, rethink the laws entirely and explain what each law is trying to achieve; take a sensible view on margins of error and be open and honest in communicating and things will be OK! Perhaps separate var from pgmol.
 
Cassandra said:
Yep, rethink the laws entirely and explain what each law is trying to achieve; take a sensible view on margins of error and be open and honest in communicating and things will be OK! Perhaps separate var from pgmol.
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How do you define a margin of error and come up with a workable handball rule.
 
hilts said:
How do you define a margin of error and come up with a workable handball rule.
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One of the problems with the handball rule is that the consequences of a handball decision, i.e. a penalty, are too great in most instances. If the rules were that any defensive handball in the box is a direct free-kick unless deliberate, in which case a penalty then I don’t think we’d have anywhere near the number of issues. Obviously deciding what is deliberate or not is difficult but surely that is better than the shambles we have now where nobody knows what counts as handball or not?
 
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
One of the problems with the handball rule is that the consequences of a handball decision, i.e. a penalty, are too great in most instances. If the rules were that any defensive handball in the box is a direct free-kick unless deliberate, in which case a penalty then I don’t think we’d have anywhere near the number of issues. Obviously deciding what is deliberate or not is difficult but surely that is better than the shambles we have now where nobody knows what counts as handball or not?
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That's the problem the deliberate bit, it's the essence of why the law never works.
 
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
One of the problems with the handball rule is that the consequences of a handball decision, i.e. a penalty, are too great in most instances. If the rules were that any defensive handball in the box is a direct free-kick unless deliberate, in which case a penalty then I don’t think we’d have anywhere near the number of issues. Obviously deciding what is deliberate or not is difficult but surely that is better than the shambles we have now where nobody knows what counts as handball or not?
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Indirect free kicks! Its the answer they will come to hopefully.

We used to do it, for exactly that situation (I think anyway) where a penalty is too harsh for the foul.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
PMGOL trying to keep the recordings of their VAR conversations as secret as possible. What are they affraid of?
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VAR: Fuck me United have bottled it.

Assistant: Lee Dixon reckons it was offside.

Ref: I've given goal.

Lino: Nowt wrong here.

VAR: Hang on...Howard says it is. Better have a look.

Ref: Fuck sake...Yes Bruno...Go away...Harry we're looking at it...

Assistant: We're live on ITV, better get the lines out. Erm...Shit....He's deffo on...

VAR: Move the frame back. He's off. Rob mate - No Goal!

Ref: Ok...

Naked Mole Rat: This Is Man United Ref!

Ref: I know mate. *Whistles* No Goal - Offside!

Maguire: Cheers ref. We got away with this. Should do them on Pens.

VAR: Thank's Rob...Howard Just text. He's invited us to meet Sir Alex in his box on cup final day.

Assistant: Nice...Wait...Is this still recording?
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Indirect free kicks! Its the answer they will come to hopefully.

We used to do it, for exactly that situation (I think anyway) where a penalty is too harsh for the foul.
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Highly doubt that will ever gain traction.

One of the reasons FIFA cited for the 6 second goalkeeper rule never being enforced was that referees would try and avoid the chaos of managing a free kick in the penalty area.

Back in the days when you did occasionally see one, they’d invariably lead to nothing after spending an age trying to get everyone back 10 yards or on the goal line.
 
TinFoilHat said:
VAR: Fuck me United have bottled it.

Assistant: Lee Dixon reckons it was offside.

Ref: I've given goal.

Lino: Nowt wrong here.

VAR: Hang on...Howard says it is. Better have a look.

Ref: Fuck sake...Yes Bruno...Go away...Harry we're looking at it...

Assistant: We're live on ITV, better get the lines out. Erm...Shit....He's deffo on...

VAR: Move the frame back. He's off. Rob mate - No Goal!

Ref: Ok...

Naked Mole Rat: This Is Man United Ref!

Ref: I know mate. *Whistles* No Goal - Offside!

Maguire: Cheers ref. We got away with this. Should do them on Pens.

VAR: Thank's Rob...Howard Just text. He's invited us to meet Sir Alex in his box on cup final day.

Assistant: Nice...Wait...Is this still recording?
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I thought they weren’t going to release the audio?
 
Stephen230 said:
Highly doubt that will ever gain traction.

One of the reasons FIFA cited for the 6 second goalkeeper rule never being enforced was that referees would try and avoid the chaos of managing a free kick in the penalty area.

Back in the days when you did occasionally see one, they’d invariably lead to nothing after spending an age trying to get everyone back 10 yards or on the goal line.
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I beg to differ. I have seen soooo many instances where its a weak weak penalty claim, but technically they have to give it. They are much better being free kicks in the box The ref has a get out clause, for those situations instead of the binary Yes or No (Because sometimes it isnt clear).

This isnt anything like the 6 secs rule, this is an extra choice, not something to manage.

i agree it wont be taken up, but I do hope so because it seems the right answer.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I beg to differ. I have seen soooo many instances where its a weak weak penalty claim, but technically they have to give it. They are much better being free kicks in the box The ref has a get out clause, for those situations instead of the binary Yes or No (Because sometimes it isnt clear).

This isnt anything like the 6 secs rule, this is an extra choice, not something to manage.

i agree it wont be taken up, but I do hope so because it seems the right answer.
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a weak penalty claim for you is a 100% nailed on penalty for someone else especially as football fans tend to be so tribal and see everything through their own teams specs on. I like the idea but i don't think it would calm the angry outraged mob down.
 
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