VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[Gordyola]

Wait, so when a corrupt on-field official ignores something blatant, we should just "get on with the game" even when we, the fans, or TV picks up that blatant decision?

At least if the players are able to challenge that decision the ref would have to review it in front of the worldwide audience.

And it's not slow-mo or freeze frame that's, in itself, the issue(but it is in isolation), it's viewing in context that's not always presented and that should be consistent.

For me, the inconsistency of interpretation for the viewing of VAR is the issue.

Already too many stoppages without adding even more. Introducing VAR has added to the stoppages, to add appeals would add even more. Used to stop the momentum of the opposition this would be used for timeouts as well. I guess would save Arteta the time asking his GK to feign injury, just one example of how it would be used to manipulate things.
What about when a challenge has been rejected by the "corrupt" on-field and off-field official or, do you want to introduce a panel to appeal too?
Then the appeal quota has been exhausted and another blatant incident is ignored, what then?
Want to get rid of VAR not add more to it Football was fine for over 100years and VAR has not improved it, made it worse if anything. Decisions are in the main subjective yet they have made a mockery of trying to change the laws and interpretations to make it less so

 

[Gordyola]

Its still down to the Ref, he had a look and deemed it a pen, it can be argued either way but for me, whilst a bit harsh, it was a handball and his hand was high and it changed the trajectory of the cross.
VAR have every right to inform the Ref to have a second look. the outcome of the Refs decision is solely on him, not VAR.

Yeah I understand how it works.
Changed the trajectory of the ball? Hardly and it is highly unlikely that if not changed then it would have resulted in a goal scoring opportunity but, the officials decide that it merited an unopposed kick from 12 yards giving WHU a very good goal scoring opportunity just because the kicked ball skimmed his arm its an absolute nonsense an a travesty robbing Bournmouth of 2 points
Also if the offender had been just outside the pen area then VAR couldn't have intervened VAR is total anomaly

 

[Bigga]

Already too many stoppages without adding even more. Introducing VAR has added to the stoppages, to add appeals would add even more. Used to stop the momentum of the opposition this would be used for timeouts as well. I guess would save Arteta the time asking his GK to feign injury, just one example of how it would be used to manipulate things.
What about when a challenge has been rejected by the "corrupt" on-field and off-field official or, do you want to introduce a panel to appeal too?
Then the appeal quota has been exhausted and another blatant incident is ignored, what then?
Want to get rid of VAR not add more to it Football was fine for over 100years and VAR has not improved it, made it worse if anything. Decisions are in the main subjective yet they have made a mockery of trying to change the laws and interpretations to make it less so

Well, captains already speak to refs to lodge complaints and this takes up time with no change to the result.

A 'challenge' would just be the same option but get the VAR team to revisit a ref's decision. Not really any further stoppages. As I've said many times before, the game should flow and capts 'challenge' on major decisions made on a two challenge basis. The game, for me, would flow much more than it currently does and would hold the ref to account which nothing does at the moment.

 

[Gordyola]

Well, captains already speak to refs to lodge complaints and this takes up time with no change to the result.

A 'challenge' would just be the same option but get the VAR team to revisit a ref's decision. Not really any further stoppages. As I've said many times before, the game should flow and capts 'challenge' on major decisions made on a two challenge basis. The game, for me, would flow much more than it currently does and would hold the ref to account which nothing does at the moment.

So how would it flow better the captain could be in the fullback position he would somehow have to get to the ref to lodge a challenge Thwn the ref would have to stop the game the captain would have to explain what the challenge was after he has established from team mates as he may not be aware then the ref would have to speak to VAR and so we get the usual delay. It’s all utter nonsense

 

[Bigga]

So how would it flow better the captain could be in the fullback position he would somehow have to get to the ref to lodge a challenge Thwn the ref would have to stop the game the captain would have to explain what the challenge was after he has established from team mates as he may not be aware then the ref would have to speak to VAR and so we get the usual delay. It’s all utter nonsense

You're not factoring in natural questioning of the ref during a major contention. Therefore it doesn't matter where the capt is on the pitch as they're often involved in the questioning. Next time you watch a game with a major contention, have a look how long it takes and then have an average time. Delay is common.

Just an opinion.

 

[Gordyola]

You're not factoring in natural questioning of the ref during a major contention. Therefore it doesn't matter where the capt is on the pitch as they're often involved in the questioning. Next time you watch a game with a major contention, have a look how long it takes and then have an average time. Delay is common.

Just an opinion.

I watch most games on Tv and all home games in person there are small stoppages in play and these are seconds the Captain talking to the ref when there is “major contention” is usual already a VAR check, to add other where the captain has to appeal to the ref can as I said already mean a further stop in play which we don’t want and also could lead to it being used to stop the opponent momentum Ditch VAR we play football on grass not in the lab

 

[roach3]

Remember when it was just a refs or linesman’s mistake we all moaned like fuck then got on with it.
Now it’s the same but takes upto 5 minutes
And no real goal celebrations.
I wish they’d just fuck it off so we can all sing your not fit …. Etc

 

[Bigga]

I watch most games on Tv and all home games in person there are small stoppages in play and these are seconds the Captain talking to the ref when there is “major contention” is usual already a VAR check, to add other where the captain has to appeal to the ref can as I said already mean a further stop in play which we don’t want and also could lead to it being used to stop the opponent momentum Ditch VAR we play football on grass not in the lab

So when the 'clear and obvious' bollocks is left up to the ref as a 50-50, it's best not to challenge it? It could be a pen, like the Grealish 'handball.

Me? I'd have liked my capt to challenge what was deemed an 'unnatural position' for his arm to be in. You, it seems, would have just let it be ref'd as is.

 

[Bigga]

Remember when it was just a refs or linesman’s mistake we all moaned like fuck then got on with it.
Now it’s the same but takes upto 5 minutes
And no real goal celebrations.
I wish they’d just fuck it off so we can all sing your not fit …. Etc

Yeah, I don't understand this mentality.

You wanna sing songs whilst another club could, possibly, lose money, sponsorships or league status based on bad decisions.

Call me cynical...

 

[Gordyola]

So when the 'clear and obvious' bollocks is left up to the ref as a 50-50, it's best not to challenge it? It could be a pen, like the Grealish 'handball.

Me? I'd have liked my capt to challenge what was deemed an 'unnatural position' for his arm to be in. You, it seems, would have just let it be ref'd as is.

Me, there wouldn’t be any discussion it’s the ref’s decision and there wouldn’t be any VAR end of. Like I said we play football on grass not in a lab it’s never going to be perfect and VAR is so anomalous that it’s waste of time and spoils the game
There are numerous incidents that have been spotted by VAR yet no one on the field ref players or managers have appealed, then the game is stopped and 4 minutes later after numerous slow motions freeze frames the ref runs to the monitor then makes a decision this is claimed that the ref made a mistake that was “clear and obvious”
You are having a laugh

 

[Gordyola]

So when the 'clear and obvious' bollocks is left up to the ref as a 50-50, it's best not to challenge it? It could be a pen, like the Grealish 'handball.

Me? I'd have liked my capt to challenge what was deemed an 'unnatural position' for his arm to be in. You, it seems, would have just let it be ref'd as is.

I’m confused as to how you think the captain challenging a decision would make any difference What would he say? I think you are wrong
Ref let me have another look No I’m right
They don’t change their mind
I guess we could have the captains do a degree in bio- mechanics then they might be able to add some substance to their argument?

 

[BHsteve]

Checking VAR , Sunday League style !

 

[Bigga]

Me, there wouldn’t be any discussion it’s the ref’s decision and there wouldn’t be any VAR end of. Like I said we play football on grass not in a lab it’s never going to be perfect and VAR is so anomalous that it’s waste of time and spoils the game
There are numerous incidents that have been spotted by VAR yet no one on the field ref players or managers have appealed, then the game is stopped and 4 minutes later after numerous slow motions freeze frames the ref runs to the monitor then makes a decision this is claimed that the ref made a mistake that was “clear and obvious”
You are having a laugh

Okay.

There is LITERALLY a thread about the handling of Haaland which should be given as penalties much of the time. This is ignored, but should be challenged. Maybe cos the lads know the ref won't do anything about it cos we're City and Guardiola doesn't want to whinge like Klopp, Teta or Moaninho would, we don't say anything.

However, if challenges were allowed all that BS holding would stop cos we'd bang about this!!

Not sure why you disagree about this stuff!

 

[Bigga]

I’m confused as to how you think the captain challenging a decision would make any difference What would he say? I think you are wrong
Ref let me have another look No I’m right
They don’t change their mind
I guess we could have the captains do a degree in bio- mechanics then they might be able to add some substance to their argument?

Well, it becomes inclusive and, as I said before, it brings the ref into the spotlight more. In cricket and tennis mistakes happen and are corrected.

Why not the same for a game where shit loads of incidents can happen in a short space of time? Funnily enough, there's also financial penalties to think about in the wider context as I said before from bad decisions that accumulate over the season.

 

[Stephen230]

But he got it right with the first look then made it wrong with the second look How was it a clear an obvious error in the first place in any case
Why only somethings get a second look surely you want it to be everything?

That would depend on what the referee told the VAR. If he’d told him he saw the ball touch the hand but didn’t think it was a penalty, the VAR would have to decide he’d made an obvious error to recommend a review. Which he’d have been highly unlikely to do in this case.

What’s far more likely here, is the referee hadn’t seen the ball touch the hand at all. Then the VAR can inform him he is factually incorrect about that. There was a clear, if feint touch. It then changes to him recommending a review based on the new information the referee has.

 

[Gordyola]

Okay.

There is LITERALLY a thread about the handling of Haaland which should be given as penalties much of the time. This is ignored, but should be challenged. Maybe cos the lads know the ref won't do anything about it cos we're City and Guardiola doesn't want to whinge like Klopp, Teta or Moaninho would, we don't say anything.

However, if challenges were allowed all that BS holding would stop cos we'd bang about this!!

Not sure why you disagree about this stuff!

Nor sure why you think appeals is a good idea
“Handling”
How would it stop?
The officials would reject the appeal, they regarding holding in the penalty area as legitimate they have even invented a new excuse “the holding didn’t happen for long enough”

Would you then want an independent appeal panel?

 

[Bigga]

Nor sure why you think appeals is a good idea
“Handling”
How would it stop?
The officials would reject the appeal, they regarding holding in the penalty area as legitimate they have even invented a new excuse “the holding didn’t happen for long enough”

Would you then want an independent appeal panel?

I'm not arguing against your opinion. I find reflecting on another's PoV useful exercise.

However the only reason things don't change is us. The Dippers, Scum and Arse are all very vocal to complain about 'incidents' and they say it loud enough, long enough; we're quiet.

Whilst there's some dignity in 'turning the other cheek', surely that only has so much to endure as a club? In my mind, the ref's decision is changed all the time via VAR as we saw last season. This season, as noted, VAR has gotten involved less, leaving the opportunity to have that gap filled with Capts challenging decisions not right.

Don't get me wrong, I've thought about the game slowing, but I don't think it's much of a change to anything we haven't experienced already..

 

[johnnytapia]

How refreshing: watching these games knowing if a goal is given - it’s given.
Oh to have that back for every game.
We can but hope.?

 

[johnnytapia]

THE NOEL EDMONDS COOKABILITY ROADSHOW AWARD FOR GASLIGHTING​

Those slack-jawed yokels at Stockley Park, making everything up as they go along, gently patting the top of their heads with the flat of their palms, holding their rulebooks upside down, tape snagging in their video machines, their rulers all floppy and bendy, hot fire coming out of the cold taps, good process lads, good process. We could list all of the egregious decisions they made in 2024, but instead why not print out this page and fill in all the examples of your club being genuinely and demonstrably done over by these clowns?

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[johnnytapia]

Great stuff, thanks, sorry we couldn’t give you enough room. There are space limits, even on the internet. But just imagine: the clubs had an opportunity to vote this lot out of existence and bottled it. A missed opportunity for a brighter future that puts comparative ballot-box fiascos such as the EU referendum, Scottish independence and the 2019 election in the shade.