VAR Discussion Thread

HypnoticBlue said:
If they do it subconsciously they still show they have a preference to a team, like Taylor coming from rag family is always going to rule against us without thinking.
If it’s always the same teams benefiting then that has to be corruption.
Taylor should never be allowed to referee a rag or City game because of the proximity of his family and who they support.
There’s no way on earth does somebody growing up in Greater Manchester or bordering areas, who follows football or makes a career from it not have a preference for red or blue, it’s that simple.
For me something that happens so often is no longer subconscious, it’s corruption one way or another.
I am at the stage of wanting to stop watching because it affects me that much, I can’t watch something so unjust and just laugh it off.
Wherever there is money involved there is corruption.
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I would love to know how many times Taylor has been appointed the ref in say, the last 10 derbies.
It must be a least half (5) of them.
 
Gazza said:
For me corruption is too strong a word - What I do think is that there is an unconscious institutionalised bias. In a way that they always look for the bad in every situation for certain teams and the for the good in others, whether it be a story, a player or indeed a VAR/referee decision.
I suppose if you're reading negative stories about a club 24/7/365 a negative bias would enter your mind and affect your judgement over time.
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What you describe in your post is corruption mate.. Nothing unconscious about it at all..
it’s so blatantly obvious it’s beyond a joke..
 
Blue Til Death said:
What you describe in your post is corruption mate.. Nothing unconscious about it at all..
it’s so blatantly obvious it’s beyond a joke..
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I suppose it's like a supervisor at work that's more critical of the guy he doesn't like even though his work is better than the guy he does like - not corrupt, just biased.
 
Gazza said:
I suppose it's like a supervisor at work that's more critical of the guy he doesn't like even though his work is better than the guy he does like - not corrupt, just biased.
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Yes but in your analogy there no one else who benefits.
You can just hear the ker-Ching rattle on for weeks with the “resurrection” of the Rags. When the rags do well the whole gravy train benefits, with Sky who find so much of the PL at the top of the pile
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Taylor knew exactly what he was doing, but the VAR operative was as guilty as the referee and both were fully aware of their actions.

PiGMOL sticking two fingers up to football supporters.
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Yes they are but they are also exploiting any opportunity to keep their preferred narrative. Which is exactly how it panned out on Saturday.
If rags were down to 10 it would have been much closer and possibly a different result - which would not have suited the gravy train
 
KentBlue said:
Like most of us I am football mad. I love the game inside out. Playing it (well, years and years ago!), watching it, reading about it, talking about it etc. And it is for this reason that I don't want to think there is corruption within the game, I hate the very thought of it. But I am genuinely at a loss to even try and explain some of the baffling decisions I've seen over the last 30-40 years.

Our FA Cup defeat when Henderson (Palace's keeper) should have seen red but didn't was the final nail in the coffin for me.

This isn't the game I've loved all my life.
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Yes, and what makes it even worse are the insulting lies VAR uses to justify its decisions. Everyone can see clearly that they’re lies. Just to take examples from this season; Phil poleaxed by a studs up lunge “which lacked sufficient force “ and, most recently, Doku left writhing by an all studs stamp to the knee which only caught him a glancing blow from a player who was always trying to play the ball!
 
HypnoticBlue said:
Taylor has ref’d us 5 times v the rags since 2019, we’ve only won 1 and they’ve won 4, what’s even more standout is that 3 of their wins were at the Etihad!
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Throw the penalties for the rags into the mix and it gets a whole lot murkier
 
When you have Sky paying vast amounts of money for tv rights,that alone tells a tail,would manipulation take place if say they had a choice of 2 teams going toe to toe for the title or one team running off into the distance,money money money and viewing figures would be huge with the first option and most likely plummet with the second one ..
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
Yes, and what makes it even worse are the insulting lies VAR uses to justify its decisions. Everyone can see clearly that they’re lies. Just to take examples from this season; Phil poleaxed by a studs up lunge “which lacked sufficient force “ and, most recently, Doku left writhing by an all studs stamp to the knee which only caught him a glancing blow from a player who was always trying to play the ball!
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This is one of the two biggest issues with VAR and how it's run, particularly in this country. If they can't admit that a mistake was made how are we expected to think that the system is going to get any better?
This issue goes back to the Spurs Champions League game, we all saw on TV the definitive tv angle that showed the incident clearly yet this footage wasn't shown to the referee on the monitor. The next day the statement from UEFA was a vague claim that all camera angles were available to the referee. The statement cleared absolutely nothing up, did the VAR assistant decide not to show that footage to the referee? Did the broadcaster not give that particular angle to the VAR team to view and decide whether to show the referee or not? If all the angles were available then who made the decision not to show that foitage on the pitchside monitor? Nobody oitside of the refereeing team knows. If they can't say that there was a mistake or an issue with the process how can they fix it?
This behaviour then carried on into the next season, playing Spurs again and Rodri was dragged to the ground by the neck from behind when trying to jump to head the ball from a corner and VAR said no penalty. The statement from PGMOL said that "he went down too easily", remember that this was during the same season when if someone slightly brushed against Salah, Mane or Firmino then it was an instant penalty as "there's contact so he's entitled to go down". Again, a fairly obvious error but instead of admitting it was a mistake they told us not to believe our own eyes, again if they can't admit there's been a mistake how can they rectify the issue to make sure it doesn't happen again?
This lack of recognition of errors means they keep happening over and over and over again and is what's lead us to this clown show where Howard Webb just rolls out any old excuse that pops into his head for all the inexplicable decisions that keep happening week after week.
We're at the stage now that with Howard Webb in charge of the system, and with his on-field refereeing performances still relatively fresh in the mind, that makes it feel more and more like these aren't the bugs in a new system that need ironing out but more a way of keeping games interesting for the neutral and to get results that the pundits in the studuo would prefer. The blatant ignoring of the rules in the FA Cup Final for the entertainment purposes of the viewers at home being the most obvious example over the last few years.
To me this means that we'll always be on the end of one-sided refereeing until this is sorted out. If we're playing a 'smaller' team then the neutrals at home prefer the underdog to win as we saw in the FA Cup final so decisiinsnare made with them in mind eather than the laws of the game. If we're playing United, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc then they have millions of fans worldwide as well as in the TV studios and in the press who would prefer them to win so that means more pressure on the referee from the TV companies, from the press, etc.
It's only human nature. In a 50-50 decision in a Liverpool game, who is the referee going to favour, the team that gets either negative or very little press or the team that whenever they get a decision against them whinge constantly with their fans and ex-players in the press joining the pile-on, complaining about how hard done to they are and about how the referee spoiled the game and about what a terrible decision it was, even if it's objectively the correct decision? It goes Liverpool's way 8 times out of 10 giving them, along with Arsenal and United, a measurable advantage on the pitch.
We've seen this over and over again when broadcasters and newspapers fixate on one decision (let's have a vote on whether Dias should have been sent off have your say on this in the comments on the three articles we've written about it) and others are brushed away almost instantly to be instantly forgotten about (next day Arsenal defender avoids a clear as day second yellow and barely a mention in the press).
This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is very much 'clear and obvious' to anyone that reads anything football related online or listens to pundits before and after a match. and to think that referees aren't influenced by this is naive in the extreme.
 
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