bluelol
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Has the shambles over the goal keeper at the game today over shadowed VAR that clearly shown the goal from Aguero should have stood?
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VAR (PL introduction 2019)
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kaz7
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I have spent many hours defending VAR but this week has changed my mind,we are still going to get screwed over,shame
quiet_riot
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Has the shambles over the goal keeper at the game today over shadowed VAR that clearly shown the goal from Aguero should have stood?
All that was very bizarre. Clearly offside in the first sky replay, then we're shown a still that shows him onside, but you couldn't see the ball being played. If that was the image we were going off, goal should have stood, but Jon Moss says goal kick...so wtf was the point in said still image?
VAR is an absolute shambles.
malg
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Don’t agree with any of you. It’s a brilliant idea but will have problems initially. If the Rags and Liverpool are against it that tells you everything you need to know. They are the biggest recipients of refereeing decisions in this country.
trotsky
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Only this ;-)Don’t agree with any of you. It’s a brilliant idea but will have problems initially. If the Rags and Liverpool are against it that tells you everything you need to know. They are the biggest recipients os refereeing decisions in this country.
feedmpenzaandhewillscore
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All that was very bizarre. Clearly offside in the first sky replay, then we're shown a still that shows him onside, but you couldn't see the ball being played. If that was the image we were going off, goal should have stood, but Jon Moss says goal kick...so wtf was the point in said still image?
VAR is an absolute shambles.
Pretty much this too much interpretation rather then definite answers. That’s two biggies that have gone against us in the last two games. Thank fuck we got the job done in both.
Elbow beards
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Well that seems legit...
Hart of the Matter
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And they will continue to be so (see ripped shirt last week)Don’t agree with any of you. It’s a brilliant idea but will have problems initially. If the Rags and Liverpool are against it that tells you everything you need to know. They are the biggest recipients of refereeing decisions in this country.
Pissed off with people saying it is new. No it isnt. Into 3rd season in some countries, world cups, even our own domestic cup comps and it is still fkd. Stop being naive....
deano ou812
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Seemed to me the sky replay or still looked like it was at an angle not straight on,aguero clearly offside going by that,the var still has aguero level so it should have been a goal,but are any of us surprised the ref wasn’t gonna award us it anyhow regardless....All that was very bizarre. Clearly offside in the first sky replay, then we're shown a still that shows him onside, but you couldn't see the ball being played. If that was the image we were going off, goal should have stood, but Jon Moss says goal kick...so wtf was the point in said still image?
VAR is an absolute shambles.
ArdwickAlbert
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Well that seems legit...
I think maybe it wasn't overturned as it wasn't a clear and obvious error. Just a shame they weren't holding that line the other night.
RobinHood
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They shit on us without VAR, they shit on us with VAR....
Neville Kneville
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I think maybe it wasn't overturned as it wasn't a clear and obvious error. Just a shame they weren't holding that line the other night.
Since when has 'clear & obvious error' come into it ?
ArdwickAlbert
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Sadly now. We seem to be the first instance of correct usage. #agendaSince when has 'clear & obvious error' come into it ?
Neville Kneville
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Sadly now. We seem to be the first instance of correct usage. #agenda
True enough, but I was under the impression offside was offside, or not, due to line decisions.
Neville Kneville
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Don’t agree with any of you. It’s a brilliant idea but will have problems initially. If the Rags and Liverpool are against it that tells you everything you need to know. They are the biggest recipients of refereeing decisions in this country.
And for some reason, that will change, giving Mike Riley's boys more opportunity to help them.
I can't think of that reason, but...
pride in battle
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Absolutely stitched up again!
We won but fuck me this getting beyond the joke now.
We won but fuck me this getting beyond the joke now.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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Tonight's game was the perfect demonstration of how VAR can be used to screw us over.
Aguero level, so onside but still the goal did not count. Nothing will be done about it. Officials will still be allowed to get away with incorrect decisions against us with absolute impunity.
Aguero level, so onside but still the goal did not count. Nothing will be done about it. Officials will still be allowed to get away with incorrect decisions against us with absolute impunity.
Neville Kneville
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Seemed to me the sky replay or still looked like it was at an angle not straight on,aguero clearly offside going by that,the var still has aguero level so it should have been a goal,but are any of us surprised the ref wasn’t gonna award us it anyhow regardless....
Aguero looked offside because normally he would be. It was a stray foot keeping him on.
But we have already seen, that if your foot is level, you can even lean your body forward into a blatantly offside position, as shown recently by Harry Kane in an identical situation, & not be offside.
Aguero made it easy to see, by not leaning forward & yet is still off.
But of course Chelsea, rightly, complained about the incompetence of v a.r. in that game, thus have successfully corrupted the v.a.r. officials for the final. Just as will happen on any occasion any reds get a 50/50 against them (if it ever happens).
I saw the image they showed for Aguero goal and i think it is a short offside. I have seen goals like that being overturned for PSG with VAR in France because of some millimeters.
What matters for offside is not the foot but any part of the body that can be used to score a goal (i.e everything but hands and arms).
However, there is a big problem not with VAR but with the referees that are using (or should i say manipulating) that technology. For example, if they want to give a penalty kick to some team, they can easily do so by searching for the weakest contact possible. Madrid got a penalty today for a very light contact, if there is any. In the same vein, they can overturn a goal like the one between Ajax and Real. I think it was the right call in this instance.
A contrario, for similar offences, they will not give the penalty kick against another team because they can argue it was not a clear and blatant error from referee. I have seen it first hand with PSG. It is quite ridiculous. Same with red cards offences, VAR is supposed to help with that regards but the referees are doing as they please.
I suspect referees to be too proud to admit they could be wrong and they act like oblige to VAR is a dent in their authority. As such, they can go great lenghts and refuse correct VAR calls just for the sake of it. The week after Lyon committed another red card offence against PSG. The referee didn't give a red because it was very late in the game (like 88 min) which is a stupid reason. The worst thing is VAR should have called to correct him but they didn't.
Essentially, VAR is a good tool but put in the hands of idiot, incompetent, bent refs, it produces biased, inconsistent results.
What matters for offside is not the foot but any part of the body that can be used to score a goal (i.e everything but hands and arms).
However, there is a big problem not with VAR but with the referees that are using (or should i say manipulating) that technology. For example, if they want to give a penalty kick to some team, they can easily do so by searching for the weakest contact possible. Madrid got a penalty today for a very light contact, if there is any. In the same vein, they can overturn a goal like the one between Ajax and Real. I think it was the right call in this instance.
A contrario, for similar offences, they will not give the penalty kick against another team because they can argue it was not a clear and blatant error from referee. I have seen it first hand with PSG. It is quite ridiculous. Same with red cards offences, VAR is supposed to help with that regards but the referees are doing as they please.
I suspect referees to be too proud to admit they could be wrong and they act like oblige to VAR is a dent in their authority. As such, they can go great lenghts and refuse correct VAR calls just for the sake of it. The week after Lyon committed another red card offence against PSG. The referee didn't give a red because it was very late in the game (like 88 min) which is a stupid reason. The worst thing is VAR should have called to correct him but they didn't.
Essentially, VAR is a good tool but put in the hands of idiot, incompetent, bent refs, it produces biased, inconsistent results.