BlueHammer85
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Yeh I agree. Will take a few years to iron out and nothing will be 100% but any form of improvement to these decisions will make the game better and fairer.
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VAR (PL introduction 2019)
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Yeh I agree. Will take a few years to iron out and nothing will be 100% but any form of improvement to these decisions will make the game better and fairer.
GornikDaze
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Is there any proof that the dippers voted against var or did I dream it?
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blueinsa
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That tonight was an utter disgrace.
Clear red card yet fans in the ground get to look at a ref pointing to his ear for 2-3 mins and all of a sudden the player gets to stay on.
Its an absolute joke the way they want to use it in this country and it simply will not work.
Clear red card yet fans in the ground get to look at a ref pointing to his ear for 2-3 mins and all of a sudden the player gets to stay on.
Its an absolute joke the way they want to use it in this country and it simply will not work.
That tonight was an utter disgrace.
Clear red card yet fans in the ground get to look at a ref pointing to his ear for 2-3 mins and all of a sudden the player gets to stay on.
Its an absolute joke the way they want to use it in this country and it simply will not work.
I thought it was probably the right call tbh. Never looked a red in real time.
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blueinsa
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I thought it was probably the right call tbh. Never looked a red in real time.
Watch it again Ric. Sliding in and not in control and he he just cleans both of the lads legs out before contacting the ball.
Only takes a stud to get caught in the ground and his leg is snapped like that.
That aside VAR as it is used in this country like it is simply will not work as the crowd see a player sent off then for 2 mins a ref with a finger in his ear and all of a sudden the decision is changed.
No communication, nothing.
Its plain wrong.
Watch it again Ric. Sliding in and not in control and he he just cleans both of the lads legs out before contacting the ball.
Only takes a stud to get caught in the ground and his leg is snapped like that.
That aside VAR as it is used in this country like it is simply will not work as the crowd see a player sent off then for 2 mins a ref with a finger in his ear and all of a sudden the decision is changed.
No communication, nothing.
Its plain wrong.
Yeah, agree completely about the communication. Needs to be like other sports where you see it on the big screen at the ground, and fans at home get to hear what is being said.
Thought it was borderline tonight. Don’t think we’d have been happy if one of our players was red carded for that. It was a bit reckless, but he wasn’t off the ground. Still think it was just about the right call.
Neville Kneville
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Yeah, agree completely about the communication. Needs to be like other sports where you see it on the big screen at the ground, and fans at home get to hear what is being said.
Thought it was borderline tonight. Don’t think we’d have been happy if one of our players was red carded for that. It was a bit reckless, but he wasn’t off the ground. Still think it was just about the right call.
It's the pace he went in, knowing he wasn't getting the ball first which does it for me.
He could have just committed a normal foul. It was a dangerous, sulking challenge.
nmc
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Many think VAR will produce a more balanced playing But recent weeks suggest it may not. It’s raising expectations but, I honestly think we will see inconsistencies largely because there’s always room for subjectivity and we don’t seem to be getting sufficient transparency.
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blueinsa
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Yeah, agree completely about the communication. Needs to be like other sports where you see it on the big screen at the ground, and fans at home get to hear what is being said.
Thought it was borderline tonight. Don’t think we’d have been happy if one of our players was red carded for that. It was a bit reckless, but he wasn’t off the ground. Still think it was just about the right call.
The ref has to go and view it himself on a screen with the crowd seeing the same pictures and all communication between him and the VAR, Linesmen, 4th official broadcast to both tv and the crowd.
Total transparency is key but why we feel we dont need the actual ref to change decisions but some shadowy figure in a van i will never know and they bring every bit of flak on themselves.
Im convinced if he looks at that himself on the sidelines he does with his orginal decision but what happened to clear and obvious?
Barcon
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Is the VAR bloke a qualified premier league ref? Serious question, I have no idea who it is.
Gordyola
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Yeah, agree completely about the communication. Needs to be like other sports where you see it on the big screen at the ground, and fans at home get to hear what is being said.
Thought it was borderline tonight. Don’t think we’d have been happy if one of our players was red carded for that. It was a bit reckless, but he wasn’t off the ground. Still think it was just about the right call.
Delph’s reds were less red than that one
The ref has to go and view it himself on a screen with the crowd seeing the same pictures and all communication between him and the VAR, Linesmen, 4th official broadcast to both tv and the crowd.
Total transparency is key but why we feel we dont need the actual ref to change decisions but some shadowy figure in a van i will never know and they bring every bit of flak on themselves.
Im convinced if he looks at that himself on the sidelines he does with his orginal decision but what happened to clear and obvious?
Someone said earlier that all red cards, like goals, are reviewed by VAR so not sure if the “clear and obvious error” rule applies there? Genuinely don’t know though, that might be wrong.
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blueinsa
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Someone said earlier that all red cards, like goals, are reviewed by VAR so not sure if the “clear and obvious error” rule applies there? Genuinely don’t know though, that might be wrong.
Who knows but then none of us know what they are doing with it 100%
bluethrunthru
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Someone said earlier that all red cards, like goals, are reviewed by VAR so not sure if the “clear and obvious error” rule applies there? Genuinely don’t know though, that might be wrong.
don't you think this is part of the problem? No fucker knows the rules or criteria? The confusion is just untrue.
Who knows but then none of us know what they are doing with it 100%
Yep, it’s clearly flawed in its current implementation. No VAR at Swansea (thankfully) but you have it at Wolves. I do still think it’s the way forward, but it needs a fair bit of work. There were always going to be teething problems, but it’s not been great so far. Think we need to persevere though and it’ll get better.
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blueinsa
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Yep, it’s clearly flawed in its current implementation. No VAR at Swansea (thankfully) but you have it at Wolves. I do still think it’s the way forward, but it needs a fair bit of work. There were always going to be teething problems, but it’s not been great so far. Think we need to persevere though and it’ll get better.
Agree completely and it isnt difficult for them to get it right in the eyes of the fans.
It just feels as though the very things almost everyone is saying needs to happen they just wont listen or entertain and that is worrying.
bluethrunthru
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Yep, it’s clearly flawed in its current implementation. No VAR at Swansea (thankfully) but you have it at Wolves. I do still think it’s the way forward, but it needs a fair bit of work. There were always going to be teething problems, but it’s not been great so far. Think we need to persevere though and it’ll get better.
I think the major problem is they should have put the investment into trialling it in lower leagues, refining it and getting it better. Instead they chose to trial it in the top flight on TV in full view of the world thus amplifying the teething problems they are having.
Blueknows
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We need to implement it properly (so the ref can review it pitchside) and not just have it relayed to him on his earpiece that he made the correct/incorrect decisionAgree completely and it isnt difficult for them to get it right in the eyes of the fans.
It just feels as though the very things almost everyone is saying needs to happen they just wont listen or entertain and that is worrying.
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Why should the players on lesser pay have to suffer?I think the major problem is they should have put the investment into trialling it in lower leagues, refining it and getting it better. Instead they chose to trial it in the top flight on TV in full view of the world thus amplifying the teething problems they are having.
bluethrunthru
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Why should the players on lesser pay have to suffer?
Its about money and perception.
In the case of money the lower prize money on offer could be compensated for if a team loses out and if the football authorities had the will to do so.
Perception - the PL ( and other leagues ) have held themselves open to ridicule with say 6 minutes to make a decision. Many many other changes are trialled in lower leagues and minor competitions - like replacing throw ins with kick ins as was trialled in an under 19's World Cup I recall.