VAR (PL introduction 2019)

ancoats said:
they have been learning VAR for 2 seasons even running in the back ground in premier league games, so am not having any its a learning lesson bollocks and its was in a major final with the community shield at stake, so again it should not be happening and the lady line official even lost control at a throw inn for god sake ???
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The trial of VAR was not on the pitch,the officials now they are involved for real need to learn it,the linesmen/women have a tough job now,i think the not flagging is a bit confusing for all,she is flawless normally
 
I watched the debate on Sky Sports with Neil Swabrick who is the PLs VAR guru. He explained that in the PL this season linesmen will flag for offsides as normal, but the referees will delay the whistle if there is a goal scoring chance. So it seems the officials might have acted in line on Sunday. Why we have to be different to the rest of football I’ll never understand.
 
hcblue said:
I watched the debate on Sky Sports with Neil Swabrick who is the PLs VAR guru. He explained that in the PL this season linesmen will flag for offsides as normal, but the referees will delay the whistle if there is a goal scoring chance. So it seems the officials might have acted in line on Sunday. Why we have to be different to the rest of football I’ll never understand.
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I posted this yesterday copied from PIGMOL itself

These are the rules off the PIGMOL site today

VAR will monitor the matches but will be used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations:

•Goals

•Penalty decisions

•Direct red card incidents

•Mistaken identity

The final decisions wil be made by the onfield referee

Assistant referees will not flag for tight offside decisions

Factual decisions, such as offside or if a foul was committed inside or outside the penalty area, will not be subject to the "clear and obvious error" test.

This says linesman will not flag for tight offsides but he seems to say they will flag as normal? they are not the same,that's worrying
 
karen7 said:
I posted this yesterday copied from PIGMOL itself

These are the rules off the PIGMOL site today

VAR will monitor the matches but will be used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations:

•Goals

•Penalty decisions

•Direct red card incidents

•Mistaken identity

The final decisions wil be made by the onfield referee

Assistant referees will not flag for tight offside decisions

Factual decisions, such as offside or if a foul was committed inside or outside the penalty area, will not be subject to the "clear and obvious error" test.

This says linesman will not flag for tight offsides but he seems to say they will flag as normal? they are not the same,that's worrying
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spot on matey

the official rule was not to flag and let the play go ?? jesus was was clearly onside not even close or level clearly onside but she guessed and flagged that is wrong ?? and she should be punished and made to go back to school and learn the new rules, 3 or 4 times she made clear mistakes in the first half that is a worry

what if it was a bigger game and the premier league title was up for grabs ?? she knows VAR is in play so why put the flag up, leave it to the VAR team that's what they are here to do and stop the mistakes ?? clearly she was not on the same page and she knew the mistakes because it was written all over her face when the tv zoomed in on her

VAR and the match officials are going to have to be working right from game one/day one, forget this its a learning lesson for the officials ?? no its not they have been using it for 2 seasons and in cups games and europe so please don't try and fools us, also its the premier league and every game and points count from game one, so managers and players are going to be in the firing line and careers are on the line here, and dare VAR getting it wrong because why bother is the systems is getting it wrong why not just leave it to the match officials
 
ancoats said:
spot on matey

the official rule was not to flag and let the play go ?? jesus was was clearly onside not even close or level clearly onside but she guessed and flagged that is wrong ?? and she should be punished and made to go back to school and learn the new rules, 3 or 4 times she made clear mistakes in the first half that is a worry

what if it was a bigger game and the premier league title was up for grabs ?? she knows VAR is in play so why put the flag up, leave it to the VAR team that's what they are here to do and stop the mistakes ?? clearly she was not on the same page and she knew the mistakes because it was written all over her face when the tv zoomed in on her

VAR and the match officials are going to have to be working right from game one/day one, forget this its a learning lesson for the officials ?? no its not they have been using it for 2 seasons and in cups games and europe so please don't try and fools us, also its the premier league and every game and points count from game one, so managers and players are going to be in the firing line and careers are on the line here, and dare VAR getting it wrong because why bother is the systems is getting it wrong why not just leave it to the match officials
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I agree that's what the rules say. But when have PiGMOL ever followed the rules?

The clip they showed was Harry Kane in the cup against Chelsea last year. There the linesman flagged early but the ref Michael Oliver let play continue until Kane got nailed by the keeper. VAR said it wasn't offside so a penalty was given.
 
hcblue said:
I agree that's what the rules say. But when have PiGMOL ever followed the rules?

The clip they showed was Harry Kane in the cup against Chelsea last year. There the linesman flagged early but the ref Michael Oliver let play continue until Kane got nailed by the keeper. VAR said it wasn't offside so a penalty was given.
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so why did the players and jesus stop ???? am not in favour with VAR with the offsides, its still way off being right and so many technical issues that it still can not be 100% right even at wembley the camera angles was not in line for a start, all the replays on BTsport was from the edge of the box so again how can you be 100% right

am giving it 3 games before something fucks up or VAR get its wrong in a big game and teams we be all over it and calling for change, and after the weekend community shield when it was clearly wrong by both match officials and VAR how will it go down in in a high end premier league game when something is on the line
 
All our lads need to do is play to the whistle.

I'm excited for VAR. It will have teething problems, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. VAR is here to stay.

The good news is that now, when referees fuck us over, there will be increased scrutiny, as they no longer have the excuse of "I couldn't see it", but rather, "I chose not to see it". A lot harder to affect the outcome of games from now on, because referees can see what we see.
 
balotelli's back pocket said:
All our lads need to do is play to the whistle.

I'm excited for VAR. It will have teething problems, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. VAR is here to stay.

The good news is that now, when referees fuck us over, there will be increased scrutiny, as they no longer have the excuse of "I couldn't see it", but rather, "I chose not to see it". A lot harder to affect the outcome of games from now on, because referees can see what we see.
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That's pretty much as I see it.
It'll be a lot harder to make excuses.
 
Just rewatching the dippers game. 56 min. VAR check for Trent Arsehole slapping Bernardo. Alti fan says no red card.

The first few weeks of the season will be farcical. I expect it will settle down once both teams and officials understand it.
 
mancityvstoke said:
Out of Interest...how many match going fans like VAR?

How many telly watchers like it?

Should be a poll....not Graham
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We don't need it at home,we can watch it back in 10 secs from sky and bt or however you watch it,at games you can't really tell what is happening at the other end of the pitch,my 2 mates who go to our games will often text me with was that offside or a pen
 
karen7 said:
We don't need it at home,we can watch it back in 10 secs from sky and bt or however you watch it,at games you can't really tell what is happening at the other end of the pitch,my 2 mates who go to our games will often text me with was that offside or a pen
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More explanations to fans would be good.
 
I will never get the energy back, i expended cheering Sterlings winner against the spuds in the chumps league, (I need that energy at my age) it will ruin the experience, always been against it and with each passing day, I'm more against it, scared to fuckin cheer a goal just in case.. It sucks....!!!
 
Watching Norwich lose to scousers, 3 times linesman flagged Norwich offside and replays show very close (my opinion one offside, one onside, one no idea). However he flagged and the ref stops play surely VAR and instructions should be to play on and sort out afterwards when close, but then again probably so used to giving them in Liverpool favour it was their natural reaction. This is one way it will negatively impact some teams and help others.

None of these decisions would have changed the result, Liverpool were always going to win from the own goal onwards.
 
Blue Pete said:
Watching Norwich lose to scousers, 3 times linesman flagged Norwich offside and replays show very close (my opinion one offside, one onside, one no idea). However he flagged and the ref stops play surely VAR and instructions should be to play on and sort out afterwards when close, but then again probably so used to giving them in Liverpool favour it was their natural reaction. This is one way it will negatively impact some teams and help others.

None of these decisions would have changed the result, Liverpool were always going to win from the own goal onwards.
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Same thing at Wembley mate. This is a real game changer. One defense playing with lino protection, the other not.
 
hcblue said:
I watched the debate on Sky Sports with Neil Swabrick who is the PLs VAR guru. He explained that in the PL this season linesmen will flag for offsides as normal, but the referees will delay the whistle if there is a goal scoring chance. So it seems the officials might have acted in line on Sunday. Why we have to be different to the rest of football I’ll never understand.
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The problem with that is that one referee's opinion of a goal scoring chance could be different from another's. So one team gets the chance to score a goal that may be proved onside by VAR and another team gets pulled up for offside that VAR shows to be wrong but won't be broadcast to the people in the stadium. I've always thought this goal scoring opportunity, as in DOGSO which is the same sort of call, to be bollocks. I might not be able to score a goal from there ( these days :o} ) but some of these lads can score or make one from almost anywhere: the one a few years ago that Aguero scored against Liverpool when Reina came off his line or the one Sane scored from KDB's pass against Stoke. If Aguero had been fouled before scoring would a red card have been given or if Sane was flagged off before the pass reached him would the ref think a goal was on and let it go for VAR to call? No chance in either case IMO but the goals wouldn't have happened. It's bollocks to talk about goal scoring chances. You can't define it. In one case, if the defender doesn't think the attacker can score, why commit a desperate foul? And in the other case, who can say whether or not one of these players will hit a first time pass 50 yards onto someone's foot without even looking up. If they are going to play on for tight offsides, then they must do it every time or not at all. They're up the wall. Why bring in a replay system and then rely on the ref's powers of prediction. Not so much back to the future as forward to the past.
 
I expect the officials and the var officials are sat having breakfast courtesy of BT sport's, and discussing how they can stop us today !! My tongue is only slightly in my cheek with that statement !!!
 
lonestay said:
I expect the officials and the var officials are sat having breakfast courtesy of BT sport's, and discussing how they can stop us today !! My tongue is only slightly in my cheek with that statement !!!
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Thats easy, one of the VAR officials today is Stephen Childs - the lino who usually tries to do a job on us (Spuds away 3 seasons ago)
 
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