VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[MadchesterCity]

But surely it’s the worst feeling when a goal has been scored by a blatant offside or a blatant handball by officials not having a clue with the speed of the game.
It’s a travesty we’ve put up with it this long and at very long last we’re implementing ways to reduce to errors - the odd one will occur and will rightly be blown out of proportion. But they will always be relative to what we have put up with.
There’s plenty of times now when a teams scored, for fans to celebrate only for a flag to go up or the ref to point something out. We still celebrate.

But it wasn't blatant, in fact depending on which frame you look at he is on or off!
FFS why do people not get this, the offside law has to be changed FFS

 

[MadchesterCity]

I've probably missed this, however, when a decision is referred to VAR, does the ref stop his watch? If so, and the decision is the opposite to that of the original decision, does the ref reset the watch to the time at when the insident took place or at the point when VAR is brought in to look at?
Or is it simply down to the refs discression?
At Schalke away the first penalty insident happened in 31st min, decision made in 34th and goal recored in 38th (I think?), I cannot recall 7 mins plus being played in the first half of injury time.
Though VAR is here I have a feeling that it may be used as a time wasting tactic in time. Hope I'm wrong

No it's a corrupt joke, less actual match time, more chance for match manipulation, we need an independent official time keeper and 35 minutes actual football per half!

This half arsed VAR dodgy ref and time keeping really worries me.

Already piled money on the vermin at 13/5 for next season!

 

[levets]

A lad at work said today that rather than be flagged if any part of you is offside, you should be allowed to play on if any part of you is onside.

It makes sense when you consider that offside was invented to prevent goal hanging.

Definitely makes sense. The bullshit we have now is somebody with size 12 boots can be offside, but somebody with size 7 won’t.

 

[bondsman]

Talksport tbf have had some decent views aired on this today. I agree with Adrian Durham VAR is killing the joy of football. VAR hasn’t improved the game and it won’t. Waiting to decide whether or not to celebrate will make atmosphere at stadia even worse than it often is. It can still be corrupted as it’s just a human decision once removed. Only tech we need is the goal line tech. The offside rule does need changing but that’s a separate issue.
Years of refereeing errors have not stopped me wanting to watch/play football. VAR has the potential to make me stop watching.

 

[lasereyes]

correct.

its simply a safety net to massage results in favour of the "elite" clubs.

There is no evidence for this - particularly based on the deployment in the World Cup that was pretty successful.

Let's take a look at some clear and obvious errors that VAR would have overturned:
- Boly's handball goal would have been chalked off, giving us 2 more points
- Tottenham get a penalty in their early season game vs. Liverpool and it likely ends in a draw
- Mane's goal against West Ham is disallowed and Liverpool prob lose
- In the 2018 CL quarter, Liverpool's first would have been disallowed and Sane's goal in the 2nd leg allowed. Then Jesus's disallowed goal at Anfield might well have been allowed (as Sane would not have been flagged). So even without over-turning other highly dubious decisions like Robertson rugby-tackling Sterling or Firmino getting away with second yellow card crop of KDB, that tie is turned on its head.

Again, I am leaving out a whole load of other dubious decisions assuming they would stand. But net result of just the above is:
- 5 pt swing to us in this year's title race => more breathing room and ability to play KDB in CL quarter 1st leg vs. Spurs
- Potentially could have won last year's CL quarter vs. Liverpool.

So at minimum, we are looking at a much more comfortable PL title this season and potentially 2 CL semis against Roma and Ajax respectively.

 

[lasereyes]

But it wasn't blatant, in fact depending on which frame you look at he is on or off!
FFS why do people not get this, the offside law has to be changed FFS

If you're talking about Aguero vs Spurs, I havent seen a single replay that leaves any doubt that he was offside. It was close, but unquestionably off. We have no complaint against that. Llorente on the other hand ...

 

[MadchesterCity]

There is no evidence for this - particularly based on the deployment in the World Cup that was pretty successful.

Let's take a look at some clear and obvious errors that VAR would have overturned:
- Boly's handball goal would have been chalked off, giving us 2 more points
- Tottenham get a penalty in their early season game vs. Liverpool and it likely ends in a draw
- Mane's goal against West Ham is disallowed and Liverpool prob lose
- In the 2018 CL quarter, Liverpool's first would have been disallowed and Sane's goal in the 2nd leg allowed. Then Jesus's disallowed goal at Anfield might well have been allowed (as Sane would not have been flagged). So even without over-turning other highly dubious decisions like Robertson rugby-tackling Sterling or Firmino getting away with second yellow card crop of KDB, that tie is turned on its head.

Again, I am leaving out a whole load of other dubious decisions assuming they would stand. But net result of just the above is:
- 5 pt swing to us in this year's title race => more breathing room and ability to play KDB in CL quarter 1st leg vs. Spurs
- Potentially could have won last year's CL quarter vs. Liverpool.

So at minimum, we are looking at a much more comfortable PL title this season and potentially 2 CL semis against Roma and Ajax respectively.

If and a big If they decide to use VAR or show the referee the correct image, I'm far from convinced

 

[lasereyes]

If and a big If they decide to use VAR or show the referee the correct image, I'm far from convinced

All the decisions I cited were very obvious and any angle would have proven them. Llorente's was very difficult to detect and looked like hip only on all but one angle. There will be controversy for sure, but like DRS in cricket, it will eliminate a lot of the howlers.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

If and a big If they decide to use VAR or show the referee the correct image, I'm far from convinced

That's if the TV monitors are not on the blink.

 

[rnblade]

It’s going to be a comedy show. VAR is the goal celebration stopper.
Attackers will now just get into the box and flick the ball at the defenders arm.
Free penalty, no arguing. It needs common sense to prevail. VAR is only as good as the clowns that are interpreting it.
As for the ‘technical fault’ claims, that is inexcusable in today’s game where that can cost literally MILLIONS of £££s