VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[MillionMilesAway]

That may be. But some 'bright spark' in that 8 man team came up with the idea, whether it was an English ref or not.
Also, if the rule only came in force on the 1st June, Why have VAR been giving those stupid handballs in the CL for most of the year?

There was a guideline issued to refs for the CL/EL for the knockout rounds regarding when a defensive handball should be given.
The IFAB announcement hadn't been confirmed at the time.

Clearly there was an intent to clarify what arm position is handball; that's not a bad idea in my view. the end wording doesn't seem very clear in its aim.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Because they are making it up as they go along, distorting competition with sudden law changes in bringing in and then also changing the way its implemented during competition.

Its completely unfair on clubs and players as what costs/benefits a side in one game suddenly reverses in another.

Nothing has been distorted. The current tournament rules apply to the whole tournament, although there has been an exemption granted for booking keepers on the goalline; I haven't checked, but I assume that has not actually affected anything and previously awarded cards have been cancelled (if a keeper has been prevented from timewasting as a result of a yellow card, then I'm fine with that).

The CL/EL guideline was before the KO rounds started, and is completely fair to all the teams left in at that stage.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The biggest thing for me is trying to get footballers to learn how to run and play football with their arms behind their backs.
Sheer Stupidity, never mind clever arsed forwards trying to kick the ball at their arms!

Defenders have been doing that for some years now, as handball was being given. Tidying that issue up is a good idea.

What they've come up with doesn't appear to do it when compared with past experiences.
If it does do what it intends, is going to cause masses of penalties to be given. As things stand, it doesn't appear to be a great to deal with the issue.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

Do we have a better chance of winning things with VAR? Yes. No more offside goals for the dippers.

For me the main reason that we need VAR is to increase accountability on referees. They can't say "Oh I didn't see it properly" anymore. No more excuses. Now fans will be able to demand referees take responsibility for errors.

 

[citytilllidie]

There was a guideline issued to refs for the CL/EL for the knockout rounds regarding when a defensive handball should be given.
The IFAB announcement hadn't been confirmed at the time.

Clearly there was an intent to clarify what arm position is handball; that's not a bad idea in my view. the end wording doesn't seem very clear in its aim.

Is there a link to the exact wording in this new handball law?

 

[blueinsa]

The biggest thing for me is trying to get footballers to learn how to run and play football with their arms behind their backs.
Sheer Stupidity, never mind clever arsed forwards trying to kick the ball at their arms!

It was the same with tackling and his foot is off the floor.

No shit sherlock, a player is on the ground and one of his feet is in the air.

Its called fucking physics and most of us that love the game or have played it know the difference between a leg breaker thats meant and a sliding tackle yet here they are with their foot in the air bollocks that is applied to certain players and teams whilst with others its ignored to suit.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Is there a link to the exact wording in this new handball law?

https://www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020

Under direct freekicks:
http://theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/92/

Longer IFAB doc on changes:

 

[citytilllidie]

It was the same with tackling and his foot is off the floor.

No shit sherlock, a player is on the ground and one of his feet is in the air.

Its called fucking physics and most of us that love the game or have played it know the difference between a leg breaker thats meant and a sliding tackle yet here they are with their foot in the air bollocks that is applied to certain players and teams whilst with others its ignored to suit.

And the daft pundits saying, yes there was contact there as Salah collapses in a heap because somebody brushed past him

 

[citytilllidie]

The following will not usually be a free kick, unless they are one of the above situations:

• The ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near
• The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger
• If a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger)
• If the goalkeeper attempts to ‘clear’ (release into play) a throw-in or deliberate kick from a team-mate but the ‘clearance’ fails, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball

https://www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020

Under direct freekicks:
http://theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/92/

Longer IFAB doc on changes:

Cheers for that. Interesting

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The following will not usually be a free kick, unless they are one of the above situations:

• The ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near
• The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger
• If a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger)
• If the goalkeeper attempts to ‘clear’ (release into play) a throw-in or deliberate kick from a team-mate but the ‘clearance’ fails, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball

Cheers for that. Interesting

Isn't it just that? It's obvious what they are trying to do:

- a ricochet doesn't count
- this 'natural silhouette' idea
- falling on the ball
- not entirely sure what this relates to, but it's so specific that there may be something in the IFAB video support.

However it will come down to opinion for the second point - the first and third should be easy to ref correctly.