VAR (PL introduction 2019)

citytilllidie said:
It was that bright spark ref, changing the rules, possibly not knowing he was destroying instead of enhancing the game.

I'd love it, if it was Collina.
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It was not Collina, and it was not a bright spark ref.

The law changes are agreed and recommended by IFAB - an 8 person team of which the UK have 4 of the seats (and have had this many or more all the time). It's pretty much on us!

They were decided in March (I think) and came into force on 1 June.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
VAR has increased the accuracy of decision from 92.5% to 98.1%. in womans world cup which is similar to Mens world cup.
This means a major decision will is missed in two more games a season without VAR than with it. Not every major decision mistake made ends up being match changing.
The question for every one is ... is that improvement worth the shit that comes with VAR?
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No
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It was not Collina, and it was not a bright spark ref.

The law changes are agreed and recommended by IFAB - an 8 person team of which the UK have 4 of the seats (and have had this many or more all the time). It's pretty much on us!

They were decided in March (I think) and came into force on 1 June.
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The law change on handball is nothing more than a decision to take any blame for a wrong decision away from the official its that simple and rather than improve ref standards they have decided to just say if it hits your hand its a penalty.

Its farcical.
 
blueinsa said:
The law change on handball is nothing more than a decision to take any blame for a wrong decision away from the official its that simple and rather than improve ref standards they have decided to just say if it hits your hand its a penalty.

Its farcical.
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I don't agree that that is the reason, but i don't think the new wording is especially helpful, other than the part for ball-off-hand in attack.

We'll see how this 'natural silhouette' waffle plays out, but it's not been great so far. Rose vs City maybe; Scotland vs England - marginal touch, but the arms was out; Japan vs Scotland - not given at all; Japan vs Neth - looked harsh to me.

Kick the ball at the arm is going to be rife (as is kicking the ball at the ref to get a dropball) and I think it needs some more work/clarification.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I don't agree that that is the reason, but i don't think the new wording is especially helpful, other than the part for ball-off-hand in attack.

We'll see how this 'natural silhouette' waffle plays out, but it's not been great so far. Rose vs City maybe; Scotland vs England - marginal touch, but the arms was out; Japan vs Scotland - not given at all; Japan vs Neth - looked harsh to me.

Kick the ball at the arm is going to be rife (as is kicking the ball at the ref to get a dropball) and I think it needs some more work/clarification.
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The natural or unnatural silhouette waffle is just that, waffle and is meaningless.

To take away any flak from the ref they have just decided that if it hits the hand/arm or even shoulder looking at some decisions so far its a penalty.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It was not Collina, and it was not a bright spark ref.

The law changes are agreed and recommended by IFAB - an 8 person team of which the UK have 4 of the seats (and have had this many or more all the time). It's pretty much on us!

They were decided in March (I think) and came into force on 1 June.
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That may be. But some 'bright spark' in that 8 man team came up with the idea, whether it was an English ref or not.
Also, if the rule only came in force on the 1st June, Why have VAR been giving those stupid handballs in the CL for most of the year?
 
citytilllidie said:
Also, if the rule only came in force on the 1st June, Why have VAR been giving those stupid handballs in the CL for most of the year?
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Because they are making it up as they go along, distorting competition with sudden law changes in bringing in and then also changing the way its implemented during competition.

Its completely unfair on clubs and players as what costs/benefits a side in one game suddenly reverses in another.
 
blueinsa said:
Because they are making it up as they go along, distorting competition with sudden law changes in bringing in and then also changing the way its implemented during competition.

Its completely unfair on clubs and players as what costs/benefits a side in one game suddenly reverses in another.
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The biggest thing for me is trying to get footballers to learn how to run and play football with their arms behind their backs.
Sheer Stupidity, never mind clever arsed forwards trying to kick the ball at their arms!
 
citytilllidie said:
That may be. But some 'bright spark' in that 8 man team came up with the idea, whether it was an English ref or not.
Also, if the rule only came in force on the 1st June, Why have VAR been giving those stupid handballs in the CL for most of the year?
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There was a guideline issued to refs for the CL/EL for the knockout rounds regarding when a defensive handball should be given.
The IFAB announcement hadn't been confirmed at the time.

Clearly there was an intent to clarify what arm position is handball; that's not a bad idea in my view. the end wording doesn't seem very clear in its aim.
 
blueinsa said:
Because they are making it up as they go along, distorting competition with sudden law changes in bringing in and then also changing the way its implemented during competition.

Its completely unfair on clubs and players as what costs/benefits a side in one game suddenly reverses in another.
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Nothing has been distorted. The current tournament rules apply to the whole tournament, although there has been an exemption granted for booking keepers on the goalline; I haven't checked, but I assume that has not actually affected anything and previously awarded cards have been cancelled (if a keeper has been prevented from timewasting as a result of a yellow card, then I'm fine with that).

The CL/EL guideline was before the KO rounds started, and is completely fair to all the teams left in at that stage.
 
citytilllidie said:
The biggest thing for me is trying to get footballers to learn how to run and play football with their arms behind their backs.
Sheer Stupidity, never mind clever arsed forwards trying to kick the ball at their arms!
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Defenders have been doing that for some years now, as handball was being given. Tidying that issue up is a good idea.

What they've come up with doesn't appear to do it when compared with past experiences.
If it does do what it intends, is going to cause masses of penalties to be given. As things stand, it doesn't appear to be a great to deal with the issue.
 
Do we have a better chance of winning things with VAR? Yes. No more offside goals for the dippers.

For me the main reason that we need VAR is to increase accountability on referees. They can't say "Oh I didn't see it properly" anymore. No more excuses. Now fans will be able to demand referees take responsibility for errors.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
There was a guideline issued to refs for the CL/EL for the knockout rounds regarding when a defensive handball should be given.
The IFAB announcement hadn't been confirmed at the time.

Clearly there was an intent to clarify what arm position is handball; that's not a bad idea in my view. the end wording doesn't seem very clear in its aim.
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Is there a link to the exact wording in this new handball law?
 
citytilllidie said:
The biggest thing for me is trying to get footballers to learn how to run and play football with their arms behind their backs.
Sheer Stupidity, never mind clever arsed forwards trying to kick the ball at their arms!
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It was the same with tackling and his foot is off the floor.

No shit sherlock, a player is on the ground and one of his feet is in the air.

Its called fucking physics and most of us that love the game or have played it know the difference between a leg breaker thats meant and a sliding tackle yet here they are with their foot in the air bollocks that is applied to certain players and teams whilst with others its ignored to suit.
 
blueinsa said:
It was the same with tackling and his foot is off the floor.

No shit sherlock, a player is on the ground and one of his feet is in the air.

Its called fucking physics and most of us that love the game or have played it know the difference between a leg breaker thats meant and a sliding tackle yet here they are with their foot in the air bollocks that is applied to certain players and teams whilst with others its ignored to suit.
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And the daft pundits saying, yes there was contact there as Salah collapses in a heap because somebody brushed past him
 
The following will not usually be a free kick, unless they are one of the above situations:
  • The ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near
  • The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger
  • If a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger)
  • If the goalkeeper attempts to ‘clear’ (release into play) a throw-in or deliberate kick from a team-mate but the ‘clearance’ fails, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball
MillionMilesAway said:
https://www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020

Under direct freekicks:
http://theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/92/

Longer IFAB doc on changes:
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Cheers for that. Interesting
 
citytilllidie said:
The following will not usually be a free kick, unless they are one of the above situations:
  • The ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near
  • The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger
  • If a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger)
  • If the goalkeeper attempts to ‘clear’ (release into play) a throw-in or deliberate kick from a team-mate but the ‘clearance’ fails, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball
Cheers for that. Interesting
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Isn't it just that? It's obvious what they are trying to do:

- a ricochet doesn't count
- this 'natural silhouette' idea
- falling on the ball
- not entirely sure what this relates to, but it's so specific that there may be something in the IFAB video support.

However it will come down to opinion for the second point - the first and third should be easy to ref correctly.
 
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