That's the inherent bias that's built into the system. If a referee goes over to the screen to look at something again it means he's effectively been told by a team of VAR officials that they all think he's got it wrong. It takes a brave referee to stick to his guns once that happens.Has there been an instance where it’s gone to the ref on the field and they haven’t changed their mind yet this summer?
It seems as soon as they go to watch their telly the ref is expected to reverse their decision. The pen in the England game the other day being a good example, I’m not having that there was a clear foul there.
Of course the only time I can remember when this happened was when Llorente scored v City!
sadly most refs will give in to those operating VAR, i seriously cant see how this would help city in any shape or form. football has died for me regarding VARThat's the inherent bias that's built into the system. If a referee goes over to the screen to look at something again it means he's effectively been told by a team of VAR officials that they all think he's got it wrong. It takes a brave referee to stick to his guns once that happens.
Howard Webb loves it tells you all you need to know
sadly most refs will give in to those operating VAR, i seriously cant see how this would help city in any shape or form. football has died for me regarding VAR
Instead of just repeating the same argument over and over again, what are your thoughts on the fact that VAR can't possibly be reliable for tight offside calls?Let’s go back to refs guessing and when they get it wrong we all call them corrupt and moan how they ruined the game !
Maybe he's just guessing.Instead of just repeating the same argument over and over again, what are your thoughts on the fact that VAR can't possibly be reliable for tight offside calls?
Several posters have put this to you but all you ever come back with is "Yeah let's go back to the match officials just guessing"
He's got one argument and it's getting beyond tiresome hearing it. Numerous people have raised genuine concerns on here that go far beyond "It's shit, I don't like it".Maybe he's just guessing.
He's got one argument and it's getting beyond tiresome hearing it. Numerous people have raised genuine concerns on here that go far beyond "It's shit, I don't like it".
His response is to either ignore them (presumably because he can see they've got a point that can't possibly be argued with) or to respond with the above sarcasm.
He's adding absolutely nothing to the discussion, unlike the people who are pointing out the inherent flaws of the system currently being used.
The point is, who decides those tight offside calls are correct. It's completely arbitrary, as the posts below explain.Because to me the ‘flaws’ are simply minimal and that has been proven
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42781236
You can't possibly know 100% that the offside call was right. That's the point.
When the margins are that tight (i.e., no daylight between the players) then the benefit surely has to go with the attacker. And if that requires a law change, then hurry up and change it because we can't keep seeing goals ruled out due to an attacker being onside in one frame but a toe offside in the next.
I guarantee there'll be a frame that shows the ball at Jill Scott's foot while Ellen White is onside. So, in such scenarios, there's "conclusive" evidence that the goal should both stand AND be disallowed. It's so wide open to manipulation that I struggle to believe anyone (even the most ardent VAR supporters) can defend it in its current guise.
Certainly seems that way.
Referee: "So, Mr. VAR, you're telling me we've got one image that conclusively shows the player onside and another that conclusively shows him/her offside. Which one shall we go with today?"
Only football could maneuver itself into such a farcical situation.
Indeed when using 25 frames per second 2 players moving at a mere 3 metres per second in opposite directions results in a 6 metre differentiation per second or 24cm per frame, and they reckon they can without doubt call a decision to a cm is total on utter fabricated bollocks. Even if the defender is static its 12cm margin of error per frame, and 3 metres per second isn't even sprinting, that's doing 100m in 30= seconds, imagine sane for example running full tilt at 8+mps with a quick full back running forward to try to play offside at 7mps that iss 60cm differentiation per frame, but we still trust someone to draw a line and say definitively he was 3cms offside totally disregarding the margins of error the laws of physics have dictated since time began.
I have gone 100% full circle on VAR from total support of the concept to absolutely hating the way its been corrupted and fully expect it to be used purely as a tool to appease the broadcasters rather than fans or actually improve match integrity.