VAR (PL introduction 2019)

Prestwich_Blue said:
They're desperate to screw it up.
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I think you might be right, but who tonight, the real referee, or the video one ? One can quite easily undermine the other. Could they both be in on making it a farce ? Deliberately ?

What concerns me most about it, is the fact that 8 minutes were wasted, but only 5 added on. Oh and the fact they don't indicate to the paying public that they are using it at all, other than sticking their finger in their ear, it seriously needs to be made obvious, and then (where possible) shown on the screen to the fans.

The disallowed first goal tonight stinks, that they wanted to keep the game relevant to the TV audience, it wasn't a foul, and should never have been referred, and I say that as someone who had a family interest in Rochdale staying in the tie.
 
We saw Sergio nudge the Arsenal defender and score, we all jumped and cheered.
Then, the ref stopped, the scoreboard didn't register and the Arsenal players all surround him. Immediate downer. Even when it wasn't overturned, it took the gloss off.
We were in line for the second, saw Sane off side and potentially in the goalies line, again, same shite. The only one who continued celebrating was Vinny.
So, sack VAR, it's a killer. The feckers don't even know how to use it
 
cleavers said:
I think you might be right, but who tonight, the real referee, or the video one ? One can quite easily undermine the other. Could they both be in on making it a farce ? Deliberately ?

What concerns me most about it, is the fact that 8 minutes were wasted, but only 5 added on. Oh and the fact they don't indicate to the paying public that they are using it at all, other than sticking their finger in their ear, it seriously needs to be made obvious, and then (where possible) shown on the screen to the fans.

The disallowed first goal tonight stinks, that they wanted to keep the game relevant to the TV audience, it wasn't a foul, and should never have been referred, and I say that as someone who had a family interest in Rochdale staying in the tie.
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Disallowing that first goal was a complete nonsense as it certainly wasn't a clear and obvious error, even if it was a foul (which I don't think it was). He shouldn't have needed VAR for the penalty but what most refs would have done is give a free-kick outside the area where the foul first occurred.

They need to indicate that they've gone to VAR if there's a noticeable delay but they don't show controversial incidents in the stadium anyway so don't see why they'd show them for VAR.
 
I think a player review system would be better. It's how the best systems work and Rochdale could have challenged the goal and penalty and it would have made more sense to the audience. Arsenal could have challenged on Sunday (no change) and we could have challenged Wilshere's dive and got him sent off :).
 
Have all the other sports have patent's on the way they use video refs, the rugby on Saturday was clear to the crowd when the ref wanted something checking he specified his question and the crowd watched it played back simple.
On Sunday the second goal would have gone to the video with a simple was Sane interfering with play, checking every goal is plain daft.
Caught a cricket match on a while back where the commentator was asking a player how he thought the match was going and it was interesting to hear his opinions.
Football have come to the party late and refuse to accept anything that's gone before them so by ignoring all others they are looking like clowns, thought it would be a winner but think it's not fit for purpose.
Rugby even better with the time keeping, just indicate time off/on 80 minutes last phase of play then it's over.
 
We used it here in Australia and it’s a debacle. A defender cleared but it rebounded onto the hand before play went up the other end. Literally a minute later they went back and by the letter of the law they gave a penalty. The defenders arm was adjudged to have not been in a natural position but in this case he’d just cleared the ball so the arms were, as you’d expect, not by his side. The referee correctly used common sense to initially wave play on but VAR had to use the law and therefore a penalty was awarded about 2 mins after the incident.

Fuck that.

Imagine after all the emotion of Vinnys goal, it was disallowed by VAR?

No thanks.
 
I was always told that a foul is from when the offence begins...hence no penalty surely.

As for Savage with the stop go pen,having no idea why it was disallowed....stop/go was very pronounced so that was probably the correct call. He sighred aldridge doing it but in my mind he used to faint slightly not have a brew and a complete stop.
 
It will work for offsides, just about and nothing else it seems which is sad but it is what it is.
 
citytilllidie said:
We saw Sergio nudge the Arsenal defender and score, we all jumped and cheered.
Then, the ref stopped, the scoreboard didn't register and the Arsenal players all surround him. Immediate downer. Even when it wasn't overturned, it took the gloss off.
We were in line for the second, saw Sane off side and potentially in the goalies line, again, same shite. The only one who continued celebrating was Vinny.
So, sack VAR, it's a killer. The feckers don't even know how to use it
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It's only a killer because of the way the muppets are using it. If we had a clear indication at the start of the season as to when, why, and how it would be used across ALL matches, or none(!), and it was made clear to the those paying folk on the terraces, it could only be a good thing, but like all aspects of football governance it's a right fuck up. Some matches have it, some don't! All we know is probably after the game has ended that the ref had someone blowing down his ear and he's 'corrected' a decision, or equally, buggered up a good decision by subbing an incorrect one!

The reasons for not using VAR are spurious at best - it takes the passion out of the game - I'd sooner walk down JMWay after a game knowing that what actually happened on the pitch was reflected in the final score, and it stops the flow! Anybody seen how the flow is deliberately held and contained by a complicit consortium of officials and opposition players the minute a game kicks off at The Etihad and where the opposition are desperate to hang on to a 0-0!

If the FA, PL and PiGMoL had access to omniscience and omnipotence across the ninety odd minutes of a football match they would still manage to fuck the game over.
 
I have had my doubts all along - I do think that the issues are as much to do with how its being implemented as to the concept itself. However one thing I did fear seemed to be happening in last nights game - ie the ref deferring decisions to the VAR system just like in Rugby League where so many tries are referred to the square in the air for the slightest of reasons - rather than assisting the officials it ends up running the game.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I have had my doubts all along - I do think that the issues are as much to do with how its being implemented as to the concept itself. However one thing I did fear seemed to be happening in last nights game - ie the ref deferring decisions to the VAR system just like in Rugby League where so many tries are referred to the square in the air for the slightest of reasons - rather than assisting the officials it ends up running the game.
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That's how it tends to go. Starts out as just being for the clearest errors and then gets mission creep. Same for both rugby codes and cricket, and they aren't fluid games.

If I believed for a second it was only going to be used for when a player is 10 yards offside or punched into the net by the striker, I'd have less of a problem with it.
 
Some of those incidents last night had no need to go to VAR
If the ref's assistant knew the law he would have flagged for a pen rather than a free kick as the law says, it's where the last contact is made

The ref correctly disallowed the pen and booked the taker, but why did he go to VAR!!
 
VAR should only change a decision if it is clearly wrong.
Being offside by an inch or a knee is not sufficient to change a decision.
Contact is contact. It isn't a foul unless it's a mistimed tackle or a deliberate foul.
It's doing my head in.
 
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dickie davies said:
Some of those incidents last night had no need to go to VAR
If the ref's assistant knew the law he would have flagged for a pen rather than a free kick as the law says, it's where the last contact is made

The ref correctly disallowed the pen and booked the taker, but why did he go to VAR!!
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And this is why it's rubbish for football. The officials will always err on the side of caution and the flow of the game is ruined.

Just use a video ref to spot the dangerous play and blatant cheating (now known as Wilshering). The overall aim should be to improve the quality of the officials and professionalism of the players, not highlight their inadequacies.
 
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