VAR (PL introduction 2019)

It's working progress for me. Once they realise that the ref doesn't need to see VAR footage then the game won't be slowed down whatsoever. They just need a panel of officials that constantly review the footage for offside goals, dives, pens, serious foul play. The rest of the rules like restarting the game can be constantly updated to reflect the game. It will take 5 years or maybe longer but we will get there. You just have to hang on while the teething problems are smoothed out
 
BerkshireBlue said:
It's working progress for me. Once they realise that the ref doesn't need to see VAR footage then the game won't be slowed down whatsoever. They just need a panel of officials that constantly review the footage for offside goals, dives, pens, serious foul play. The rest of the rules like restarting the game can be constantly updated to reflect the game. It will take 5 years or maybe longer but we will get there. You just have to hang on while the teething problems are smoothed out
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I agree with this. Unfortunately we have to many moaning fans that scream corruption after every bad decision and have zero patience
 
hertsblue said:
Just had Riley on BT sports saying Zahas dive for the penalty would not have gone to VAR and still be a penalty
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Did he expand on why? Because it looked like a ‘clear and obvious error’ to me and I believe that is the threshold?
 
karen7 said:
well it didn't in the spain vfrance game
are you just contrary on every thread?
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As ive said loads of times in this thread its a complete mess in germany and italy. German fans have even been protesting to get rid of it.

And its pretty common sense that it will slow the game down. How would it not? Ive watched dozens of games where theres been a four or five mintue delay in matches so the ref can review a decision.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
It's working progress for me. Once they realise that the ref doesn't need to see VAR footage then the game won't be slowed down whatsoever. They just need a panel of officials that constantly review the footage for offside goals, dives, pens, serious foul play. The rest of the rules like restarting the game can be constantly updated to reflect the game. It will take 5 years or maybe longer but we will get there. You just have to hang on while the teething problems are smoothed out
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Still doesnt solve the main issue for me which is how far back you bring the play. If a goal is scored but there was a clear foul five mins before do you dissalow the goal?
 
Using it only on appeal is probably the best way to go but I'd only give them 1. That way they'd only use it if they were pretty sure of getting the right result. People like Sean Dyche wouldn't be able to abuse it and take their cheating to a level that doesn't exist at the moment. He would definitely have gone for it after the first goal and then City probably wouldn't have got the second after the delay to review it and finally award the goal. If coaches lost their only appeal by doing that type of thing, they might think better of it. You could even reward a correct appeal by giving them another to make 2.
 
caseball said:
Using it only on appeal is probably the best way to go but I'd only give them 1. That way they'd only use it if they were pretty sure of getting the right result. People like Sean Dyche wouldn't be able to abuse it and take their cheating to a level that doesn't exist at the moment. He would definitely have gone for it after the first goal and then City probably wouldn't have got the second after the delay to review it and finally award the goal. If coaches lost their only appeal by doing that type of thing, they might think better of it. You could even reward a correct appeal by giving them another to make 2.
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If, after a goal - say Dyche believed there was a earlier foul in the lead up to the goal from 2 mins before - would that count as a correct appeal ? Would the clock go back to the foul ?The fans in the ground won’t have a clue what’s going on
 
The real problem in football is the calls that referees and their assistants miss, so VAR has to address that in order to be effective in my opinion.

Plus, some of the examples I've seen in Italy and Germany have been farcical (eg. referees reviewing the video and still coming to an obviously incorrect conclusion) so it definitely needs a lot of refining as it's not fit for purpose in its current guise.
 
greasedupdeafguy said:
Still doesnt solve the main issue for me which is how far back you bring the play. If a goal is scored but there was a clear foul five mins before do you dissalow the goal?
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But your talking about something really insignificant in the grand scheme of things. These types of problems will get ironed out as time goes by when weird unexpected things crop up that need solving. So the rules will be elastic for a while before settling down. They need to try things to find out what works and what doesn't that's the only way we'll see progress
 
caseball said:
Using it only on appeal is probably the best way to go but I'd only give them 1. That way they'd only use it if they were pretty sure of getting the right result. People like Sean Dyche wouldn't be able to abuse it and take their cheating to a level that doesn't exist at the moment. He would definitely have gone for it after the first goal and then City probably wouldn't have got the second after the delay to review it and finally award the goal. If coaches lost their only appeal by doing that type of thing, they might think better of it. You could even reward a correct appeal by giving them another to make 2.
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It's a nice idea, but as the Juve/Torino derby fiasco recently showed, the system will still be at the mercy of the pig headed officials involved. In case you missed it, Juve scored, Torino objected because there had been a clear foul in the build up, the ref reviewed it on the VAR and, despite the aforementioned foul having been absolutely blatant, incredibly decided to uphold his original decision to give a goal. As we've also seen with the Lukaku 'kick in the cobblers' non-ban, the VAR will be a waste of time, because it will be open to ridiculous interpretation. Last minute at the Swamp, Aguero gets scythed down by De Gea in the box, and City play their appeal. Can you honestly see Madley, Taylor, Jones et al, awarding us a penalty on review? Not a chance
 
shit idea,
lets look at the penalty
no lets look at the foul before the cross came in for the penalty
no lets look at the award of the throw in that led to the foul that led to the cross that led to the penalty, where will it stop

it will be a fucking farce and could destroy the game.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
It's a nice idea, but as the Juve/Torino derby fiasco recently showed, the system will still be at the mercy of the pig headed officials involved. In case you missed it, Juve scored, Torino objected because there had been a clear foul in the build up, the ref reviewed it on the VAR and, despite the aforementioned foul having been absolutely blatant, incredibly decided to uphold his original decision to give a goal. As we've also seen with the Lukaku 'kick in the cobblers' non-ban, the VAR will be a waste of time, because it will be open to ridiculous interpretation. Last minute at the Swamp, Aguero gets scythed down by De Gea in the box, and City play their appeal. Can you honestly see Madley, Taylor, Jones et al, awarding us a penalty on review? Not a chance
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wouldn't make much difference we will be 5 up by then.
 
it is going to be penalty claims to cut out diving
red cards and mistaken identity
lets see how what goes tomorrow before frothing
 
BerkshireBlue said:
But your talking about something really insignificant in the grand scheme of things. These types of problems will get ironed out as time goes by when weird unexpected things crop up that need solving. So the rules will be elastic for a while before settling down. They need to try things to find out what works and what doesn't that's the only way we'll see progress
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Disagree its been a huge issue throughout every league its been trialled in and ive still not heard one way it can be solved.

Fine if you want var but dont act like it wont change the game in a very big way.

It will be intersting to see whether Seria A continue with it next season as the likes of Buffon, Inzaghi and other coaches have come out against it.
 
karen7 said:
it is going to be penalty claims to cut out diving
red cards and mistaken identity
lets see how what goes tomorrow before frothing
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Of course it will help with a few clear cut decisions but on the whole it will be disaster. Its impossible to make football completely fair, do you review every debateable foul in the build to a goal?
 
greasedupdeafguy said:
Of course it will help with a few clear cut decisions but on the whole it will be disaster. Its impossible to make football completely fair, do you review every debateable foul in the build to a goal?
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you are way ahead of the whole thing,those are what it's going to be used for tomorrow and goals i think,lets see how it goes
 
We have it over and it really is a joke, totally arbitrary when it is used and the crowd await its implementation for every goal. Not the answer in its present format, from the experience here it's got a place for offside decisions leading to a goal, but other than that "clear and obvious mistakes" has proved to be farcical.
 
it will be fookin useless and everbody will be demanding the same beneficial number of VAR decisions as everybody else and screaming murder if they dont get them
 
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