VAR (PL introduction 2019)

moon said:
How long was the game stopped for the VAR for Salah pen.
Heard it was 4 minutes

There was only 4 minutes added on at the end of the first half

At the time the board went out
West Brom had 2 injuries where subs were made
3 goals has been scored
And the VAR had also been used to disallow the goal
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I really believe that the sophisticated 'stop' watches that refs use are just not stopped when there is a break in the play. I think they have a chat over the airwaves and come up with a random figure. They take all the items into consideration - goal celebrations, injuries, substitutions - but just come up with a 'oh. let's say three minutes!' And the fourth official has indicated there will be a minimum of two minutes. Stop the fucking watch, and blow when yer watch says 45mins are up! I will take some convincing that the added time is not a manipulation. There is so much bollocks creeping into the game these days that do not add one jot to the entertainment, excitement, accuracy for which the folk on the terraces pay good money.
 
It’s an intriguing innovation but it’s going to have many flaws much like the DRS system used in cricket.

I personally believe it should only be used for offsides as otherwise the games will constantly be disjointed.

Is there a limit to how many times it can be used a game?
 
Neville Kneville said:
And you 'might' be right.

But the point is, we have been told that we can put up with all this shit, because it gets the 'correct' decision.

Well imo, the correct decision is a penalty to Liverpool & a penalty to West Brom, so we have put up with it all, & arrived at an incorrect decision which has tipped the game in favour of Liverpool.
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We'll agree to disagree then... shows how hard it is I guess, can't please everybody.... I'd say it got both decisions right, you think it favoured Liverpool...
 
Brendan110_0 said:
This is something I've always thought. We referee differently to the European continent which results in red cards at International/European/CL tournaments, we should help ourselves by reffing in-line with Europe. Dele Alli is a prime example of a red waiting to happen for England as he wont get away with his fouls.

VAR - keep it, it'll stop cheating in the long run from rag refs.
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No it wont
 
VAR will increase diving not reduce it. Take a dive, get a review, get away with it penalty! Not get away with it, yellow card - no retrospective ban for 1 game.... Salah proved that last night...
 
Hart of the Matter said:
VAR will increase diving not reduce it. Take a dive, get a review, get away with it penalty! Not get away with it, yellow card - no retrospective ban for 1 game.... Salah proved that last night...
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This doesn't make sense. If you take a dive with VAR, you won't get away with it... where currently lots of dives are given as penalties. Salah got pulled back, made a bit of a meal of it sure, but still clearly fouled....
 
Bluearmy said:
This doesn't make sense. If you take a dive with VAR, you won't get away with it... where currently lots of dives are given as penalties. Salah got pulled back, made a bit of a meal of it sure, but still clearly fouled....
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No it wasnt a clear foul, nor was it a clear and obvious error as per stipulation.
 
Neville Kneville said:
We keep getting told that the calls were correct.

The pullback for which Salah was awarded a penalty, before the ball was even played in, didn't cause him to miss the ball or, fall to the floor, he dived & the ball was played into a 'dead' area.

How is this different, from routine pushing & shoving, at set pieces ?

If it is fair as a penalty, why is the quite blatant push on Gareth Barry, by Liverpool's goalkeeper, not a penalty ?

Why am I expected to accept this as being 100% correct & a vindication of this system ?
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Completely agree, its ok for anyone to determine the laws of the game to the letter but its a physical, fast game and we have to accept decisions are not going to be 100% right all the time. The VAR decisions in the Pool game yesterday were dubious due to the fact they took the laws of the game to the enth degree. It's the thin end of the wedge and doesnt take into account common sense and give and take, it will ruin football with its fastidiousness.
 
If his shirt was pulled why didnt he go backwards. He dived, the game has been going soft for a long time. Your'e 2-0 up, the other team score. 10 mins to go. Guarantee that you contest the decision to allow time to regroup and dont allow the other team the momentum. Maybe we wouldnt have had "99" and "93.20" if var was in. Youre at the swamp, and you need an equaliser. You score, and then you wait 3 mins to celebrate. Forget the moments we had with Curle's pen, Uwe's chip, Brightwell's screamer, Benjani. More sanitisation of the game we used to love.
 
If you want any proof that VAR is controversial in the extreme and it could be influenced by "certain teams" I've just seen Napoli awarded a penalty for a Bologna player slightly touching a Napoli player with his hand, and I mean a slight touch, disgraceful. The commentators are still talking about it three minutes later. I know Napoli is the home of the Camorra but it really is going to be a blight on football. The fact Napoli are at home and were only drawing and not playing well means this could have a huge influence on the Italian league.. VAR needs fucking off sooner than later.
 
As with all new tech, it will take time to acclimatise, for players refs and fans. I thought the use of it in the Liverpool game was correct, and added to the spectacle.
If it stops players blatantly pulling opponents in the box, then it's a good thing.
 
Bewar3them00n said:
As with all new tech, it will take time to acclimatise, for players refs and fans. I thought the use of it in the Liverpool game was correct, and added to the spectacle.
If it stops players blatantly pulling opponents in the box, then it's a good thing.
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It won't.

It will just mean the players & crowds who exaggerate it best, get the decisions (or the ones which suit the betting syndicates who can then control the outcome of every football game).
 
aguero93:20 said:
Agreed. Was the ball in play when the push happened?
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Yes, Barry is stood upright in front of the keeper when the ball is kicked & receives a strong push in the back (blatant pen) then leans back & is pushed again.

None of the officials bothered to consider it as it was all about Liverpool & not about deciding on the incident.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Yes, Barry is stood upright in front of the keeper when the ball is kicked & receives a strong push in the back (blatant pen) then leans back & is pushed again.

None of the officials bothered to consider it as it was all about Liverpool & not about deciding on the incident.
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That's one they've missed then in your eyes. So regardless of the legality within the rules of the game of having Barry standing there (for no other reason than to obstruct the keeper i.e. No attempt to play the ball) which I've already made a point about, why do you think throwing out the technology is a better option than dragging both refs in tomorrow morning and reviewing it with them, pointing out where in the rules of the game they got it wrong (if they did).
 
aguero93:20 said:
That's one they've missed then in your eyes. So regardless of the legality within the rules of the game of having Barry standing there (for no other reason than to obstruct the keeper i.e. No attempt to play the ball) which I've already made a point about, why do you think throwing out the technology is a better option than dragging both refs in tomorrow morning and reviewing it with them, pointing out where in the rules of the game they got it wrong (if they did).
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Barry is allowed to stand there. No rule says a player can't stand in front of the goalkeeper. The goalkeeper is not allowed to foul him, nor vice versa.

Because the ref, the video ref, the tv ref, Steve Macmanaman, Gerrard & indeed a load of City fans, have already said it's perfectly ok.

So they will get a pat on the back, for being wrong, just as they would helping Real Madrid in a Champ's League final v City.

They will only get told off, if it ever works the other way round.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Barry is allowed to stand there. No rule says a player can't stand in front of the goalkeeper. The goalkeeper is not allowed to foul him, nor vice versa.

Because the ref, the video ref, the tv ref, Steve Macmanaman, Gerrard & indeed a load of City fans, have already said it's perfectly ok.

So they will get a pat on the back, for being wrong, just as they would helping Real Madrid in a Champ's League final v City.

They will only get told off, if it ever works the other way round.
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I'll ignore Mc pointy and the other ****, but he isn't, if the keeper tries to move and Barry is in his way. That's why you don't see it happening in the CL, at international level or in other leagues. The PL refs don't even allow it in Europe, because they know it's illegal. It's an attitude that really needs to change in England.
 
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