VAR Thread - 2021/22

[1961_vintage]

I've said it before, I could review pretty much any goal scored by any team and find some reason to disallow it - real, imagined or just simply spurious. It's not difficult in a contact sport like football. And I'm convinced that there is a concerted effort made to find a reason - any reason - to disallow a goal when we score.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I've said it before, I could review pretty much any goal scored by any team and find some reason to disallow it - real, imagined or just simply spurious. It's not difficult in a contact sport like football. And I'm convinced that there is a concerted effort made to find a reason - any reason - to disallow a goal when we score.

You do know that you will be called paranoid don't you ?

 

[Blue Mist]

You do know that you will be called paranoid don't you ?

Who by ? All of them or just those hiding away, waiting for me to slip up, I know who they are. The ones that hide under bridges are the worst

 

[joenorth]

OK, here's one for you and its nothing to do with us.
Villa v West Ham. A Villa player clearly elbows a player in the face to stop him getting past. Ref nothing vreviewed by var nothing. BUT the seconds later the second defender appears to foul the attacker. He was outside the box not heading for goal, reviewed, red card as he was deemed to be in a goal scoring position !!! It's as though they were just making it up as they go along......oh they were!!! Ah that explains it.

I made a point of watching ref watch on sky this morning just for this incident, and I still haven't a clue why he was not sent off after listening to Gallagher.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I made a point of watching ref watch on sky this morning just for this incident, and I still haven't a clue why he was not sent off after listening to Gallagher.

Halsey was on TS this morning and was very confused why he wasn’t as it was so obvious, and wouldn’t have led to the next phase to send that player off instead. When an ex-ref no longer understands how it works, how the hell are we meant to?

 

[bondsman]

It is factually the easiest way to manipulate the outcome of games ever created. Bent as fuck hasn’t improved the game and certainly hasn’t removed controversy. Needs fucking off.

 

[mat]

And still two teams are allowed their own rules on VAR in their own grounds.

OliVAR took advantage of that at Klanfield. Hope he doesn't fancy repeating that on Saturday at the swamp.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I just watched this on MOTD 2. Konsa was initially given a yellow card and was then sent off following a length VAR review by the ref looking at the monitor. OK.

In the leicester v arsenal game, Johnny Evans was given a yellow card for denial of a goal scoring opportunity. The subsequent consensus seems to be that it should have been a red but apparently there was no VAR review. Why not?

Laporte was given a straight red card for his denial of a goal scoring opportunity..I was at the game and it was not obvious to me if VAR reviewed it. The ref, Andre Mariner certainly did not go to look at the monitor. Why not?

It's all rather confusing and looks ideal for corruption.

We don't know is the simple answer, as the conversations are not revealed.

VAR will only instruct a review if there is a clear and obvious error. If the VAR man doesn't think there is a clear error, then there is no review. They would definitely have been reviewed, but if the review outcome was "as you were", there is no need to use the monitor.

The procedure on Konsa looks a bit odd. It may have been "did he genuinely attempt to play the ball and was it in the area?":
genuine attempt and inside - penalty and yellow
no genuine attempt and inside - penalty and red
genuine attempt and outside - freekick and red
no genuine attempt and outside - freeckick and red

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

We don't know is the simple answer, as the conversations are not revealed.

VAR will only instruct a review if there is a clear and obvious error. If the VAR man doesn't think there is a clear error, then there is no review. They would definitely have been reviewed, but if the review outcome was "as you were", there is no need to use the monitor.

The procedure on Konsa looks a bit odd. It may have been "did he genuinely attempt to play the ball and was it in the area?":
genuine attempt and inside - penalty and yellow
no genuine attempt and inside - penalty and red
genuine attempt and outside - freekick and red
no genuine attempt and outside - freeckick and red

Thanks for trying to explain it. There does appear to be some rational.

The interpretation of clear and obvious is fundamental. Something that is clear and obvious to one VAR may not be so clear and obvious to another VAR.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Thanks for trying to explain it. There does appear to be some rational.

The interpretation of clear and obvious is fundamental. Something that is clear and obvious to one VAR may not be so clear and obvious to another VAR.

That's how I see it too, there isn't a solution to inconsistent reffing. In this case, I think the onfield reffing inconsistency was the problem, not VAR use.

If Evans and Laporte had got the same colour card, there would be less issue. I think they should both have been red - I've not seen a reverse angle for Laporte to know how much of a hold he had, but if it's a foul, it's got to be denial of a goalscoring opportunity - Zaha and Aubameyang wouldn't have been caught. Also, Arsenal won anyway, so it was fairly immaterial.