VAR thread 2022/23

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They are still guessing when the pass was made.

Guessing = making a judgement call.

Yes.

 

[trumpton]

Multi billion pound industry using 50 quid cameras resulting in subjective decisions.

It's guess work when the pass was made, even more so when running at a paltry 50fps.

 

[Pontypool Blue]

Suggestion - Surely it would be very easy for tech to solve this: We know where all of the players are due to the tags they wear in the shirts and we know where the ball is (fit a tiny rfID tag in the centre of each ball. Job done - offside alerts ref in less than a second.
It would also sort out any incorrect calls on the ball going out of play too.

 

[jjctid]

I think the Rashford goal brought into light a new “it’s within tolerance” that many of us had never heard. This looked closer.

It’s gone from factual to err not quite factual & back to factual.

This is exactly what I have been trying to say but some on here don't want to accept that offsides are not "factual" How can you explain that the rashford goal was given but the Isak one was disallowed. Of the 2 the Isak goal seems more legitimate. All this "tolerance" and thicker/thinner/red/blue/green lines (take your pick) suggest to me that they can get the outcome that suits VAR. The sooner this bunch are miked up or replaced by robots the better!

 

[bluealf]

Multi billion pound industry using cheating cunts to make decisions and 50 quid cameras resulting in subjective decisions.

It's guess work when the pass was made, even more so when running at a paltry 50fps.

Yup

 

[SebastianBlue]

That isn’t true. They are factual based on the cameras they work with.

I have already explained why the way offside is determined by VAR is not “factual”.

Two people, assessing the same incident, using the current system, with it’s many limitations, can arrive at two different determinations (offside/onside).

That, by it’s very nature, means it is a subjective decision, regardless of your stance on whether VAR is or is not used to manipulate match outcomes.

Again, the “fact” of whether the player was offside or onside exists. But that is unfortunately independent of the subjective determination made by VAR.

This is not a matter of opinion; it is—ironically—a fact, so I am not sure why people are still trying to claim that VAR offside determinations are factual.

 

[jjctid]

I have already explained why the way offside is determined by VAR is not “factual”.

Two people, assessing the same incident, using the current system, with it’s many limitations, can arrive at two different determinations (offside/onside).

That, by it’s very nature, means it is a subjective decision.

Again, the “fact” of whether the player was offside or onside exists. But that is unfortunately independent of the subjective determination made by VAR.

This is not a matter of opinion; it is—ironically—a fact.

Perfectly put!

 

[GaudinoMotors]

But the marginal decisions always seem to favour the favourite 2.
Can you recall a marginal decision going against Liverpool? I cant
Conte said last night that England need to learn how to use Var ! How many years has it been in and we still, in his opinion, don't know how to use it.

Conte being a bit naive - We've learnt how to use it alright.

 

[bluealf]

I have already explained why the way offside is determined by VAR is not “factual”.

Two people, assessing the same incident, using the current system, with it’s many limitations, can arrive at two different determinations (offside/onside).

That, by it’s very nature, means it is a subjective decision, regardless of your stance on whether VAR is or is not used to manipulate match outcomes.

Again, the “fact” of whether the player was offside or onside exists. But that is unfortunately independent of the subjective determination made by VAR.

This is not a matter of opinion; it is—ironically—a fact, so I am not sure why people are still trying to claim that VAR offside determinations are factual.

Use a sledgehammer, it might penetrate better.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Use a sledgehammer, it might penetrate better.