VAR thread 2022/23

[Paladin]

Given that VAR can’t hear them, how do they influence decisions?

We simply don't know this to be fact.

Here are the VAR practicalities from the current Laws of the Game.

The third one confirms that only authorised persons are allowed into the video population room (VOR).

The fourth practicality confirms that the VAR has full access to all broadcast footage - probably to include commentary. Broadcasters will be well aware of this, and the likes of Neville and Carragher commenting on incidents in order to influence officials is therefore quite possible.

Notice the seventh, final practicality which allows the operators to choose what footage is used. The on field referee can request other footage or angles for a review, but how will he know they exist? He will surely think he is being shown the best footage. This opens itself to corruption from within the VOR, and we saw this in the Llorente decision as recently referenced.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Here are the VAR practicalities from the current Laws of the Game.

The third one confirms that only authorised persons are allowed into the video population room (VOR).

The fourth practicality confirms that the VAR has full access to all broadcast footage - probably to include commentary. Broadcasters will be well aware of this, and the likes of Neville and Carragher commenting on incidents in order to influence officials is therefore quite possible.

Notice the seventh, final practicality which allows the operators to choose what footage is used. The on field referee can request other footage or angles for a review, but how will he know they exist? He will surely think he is being shown the best footage. This opens itself to corruption from within the VOR, and we saw this in the Llorente decision as recently referenced.

It doesn’t say anything about commentary.

 

[inchy14]

Given that VAR can’t hear them, how do they influence decisions?

But we don’t know they can’t hear them, that’s the point.

 

[inchy14]

When people tell lies, they have a motivation for doing so. What possible motivation do you suppose the football authorities could have for insisting there is no outside interference in the VAR room, whilst secretly waiting for Andy Hinchcliffe’s verdict on a decision before they commit themselves?

They’ve told us they don’t alter match reports after submission but that’s been declared as bollocks.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

But we don’t know they can’t hear them, that’s the point.

We don’t know if they do it upside down either.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

But we don’t know they can’t hear them, that’s the point.

ZERO transparency is the issue which only leaves us with circumstantial evidence. So when the likes of Neville or Carragher scream their opinions on Sky and it correlates perfectly with the VAR decision despite most people watching seeing it differently we can only draw our own conclusions.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

ZERO transparency is the issue which only leaves us with circumstantial evidence. So when the likes of Neville or Carragher scream their opinions on Sky and it correlates perfectly with the VAR decision despite most people watching seeing it differently we can only draw our own conclusions.

Indeed. Confirmation bias.

 

[Paladin]

It doesn’t say anything about commentary.

It doesn't. My guess is that it is left in, and that's based on the likes of Carragher and Neville with their frequent influencing comments.

How hard would it be for the law to add that no external pressure should be allowed, including from TV commentary.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It doesn't. My guess is that it is left in, and that's based on the likes of Carragher and Neville with their frequent influencing comments.

How hard would it be for the law to add that no external pressure should be allowed, including from TV commentary.

Not very. Whatever they add, some people would call it bent anyway.

They could do a documentary about VAR before the start of every season to explain what has changed and how it works.

 

[Paladin]

Not very. Whatever they add, some people would call it bent anyway.

They could do a documentary about VAR before the start of every season to explain what has changed and how it works.

Or after every United game.