VAR thread 2022/23

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I accept that they should use technology, but we absolutely shouldn't be accepting crap VAR decisions. If we don't call them out on it nothing will ever change.

It was brought in with good intentions, but like with everything there will always be those who will seek to use the situation to their advantage either by bending/blurring/breaking the rules, or just plain old cheating and lying.

With VAR in its current guise there are flaws in the system (mainly the human in the loop) that can be exploited. With a human in the loop system there will always be an element of variance in any decision making process (without factoring in conscious/unconscious bias), but any human can also have corrupt intentions. Then you have the issue of the video frame rates and offside decisions as to when the pass was made which can have a huge impact on the on/offside decision. Yes, they are attempting to address this with an accelerometer in the ball to determine the exact moment a pass is made which 'should' make it more accurate, but its still a 50fps camera system which needs long and careful calibration and if you knock a single camera during the game it throws the calibration out and invalidates any subsequent measurements.

Basically it boils down to the fact that there is opportunity and motive for 'individuals' to manipulate the system, and where there is opportunity, there will ALWAYS be someone motivated to try and exploit it. I personally think it's naive to believe VAR hasn't been used nefariously during its 4 years in operation, but on what scale I couldn't say.
I thought it would be good as it would help referees. What it has morphed into is an abomination with Shockley park, different protocols in different competitions, LOTG changes being driven by it, fiction as to accuracy

Have a camera by the side of the pitch. If the red is unsure on something let him go to it and check it. If an offside needs measuring to MMS give the benefit to the forward. It’s really not hard.
 
I love the new, instant, 3D offside technology now employed in the Champions League. Great stuff.

My biggest complaint about VAR is that it takes too long and interferes with the spontaneity of the game. It ruins the experience. How often have you found City scoring some sort of awesome goal but you're afraid to cheer - awaiting the inevitable VAR goal review and possible offside call? Honestly, in-the-moment excitement and celebration have killed by VAR for me - this new, instant, offside technology is a big step in the right direction.
 
How about we ask the Premier League
a) why are the Pigmol officials so poor, after all you employ them
b) why is Pigmol so powerful and secretive.
c) what are you going to do as an organisation to stop the dreadful mistakes and controversy that happens every single week.
 
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Yes but my point is that with VAR these decisions couldn’t be ignored and had to be given. My original question was have they had a piss poor call go against them and pages later not one has been posted.

Lots of angry Man Utd fans tonight with the penalty decision against them

Before VAR a ref would never have given that and it is nowhere near ‘stonewall’

The decision lost them the game
 
Lots of angry Man Utd fans tonight with the penalty decision against them

Before VAR a ref would never have given that and it is nowhere near ‘stonewall’

The decision lost them the game
I thought European football rule was penalty if you make your body "bigger", no matter what. So not "stonewall" in PL, but stonewall in Europe?

Maybe I misunderstand .... Not easy to keep up.
 
I thought European football rule was penalty if you make your body "bigger", no matter what. So not "stonewall" in PL, but stonewall in Europe?

Maybe I misunderstand .... Not easy to keep up.
You are correct. Yet again the PL decided they were bigger than uefa and they would interpret the law differently.
I have posted before, if the PL stop kow towing to the media and constantly changing laws and interpretations, it would be so much better.
Last night was a straight penalty. That is why VAR did not intervene.
 
Last night was a straight penalty. That is why VAR did not intervene.


If this penalty was given against one of our teams we would be furious about it

as it's Man Utd its obviously a 'clear' penalty

as i say though, without VAR there would be no reason a ref would give that as a penalty, just waved away and nothing would be mentioned.
 
If this penalty was given against one of our teams we would be furious about it

Only if we didn't understand the intricacies of the PL/UEFA interpretations. You should be happy. VAR got it right.

If you have a problem with the interpretations used, or the differences between PL and UEFA, those are different questions.
 
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