VAR thread 2022/23

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Once the calibration is out any measurement is invalid.

So given that we can’t guarantee technology and a person could go blind or blink at the wrong moment, there’s no guaranteed way to get a decision correct, what do you suggest?

 

[SebastianBlue]

Where was this 'pressure' coming from?

Absolutely everywhere (on FIFA, specifically): players, clubs, former professionals, media outlets, sporting governance, etc.

FIFA (under Blatter) had held out much longer than every other major sport in the world—in the case of American sports, which were the earliest adopters, decades after it was initially implemented—and their excuses for not bringing it in were getting very thin, especially in the context of the myriad investigations in to corruption happening at that time. Bringing in VAR was partly an attempt to save their (namely Infantino and co’s) own skins. Many of the leagues, including the PL, didn’t want it—even UEFA still didn’t want it in the CL—even though their reasoning was just as dubious.

Some analysts argue that one of the reasons it was implemented so poorly—in addition to allowing it to still be used for match manipulation—was an attempt to get fans and media to denounce and ask that it be removed, so they could go back to the even more murky state of officiating.

And, based your and others’ comments in this thread, that tactic seems to be at least somewhat effective.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Aren’t there 29 cameras to calibrate in this new system? That must help accuracy.

10 cameras (12 for FIFA), 29 data points, 50 frames per second. I still can't imagine it's accurate to a few millimetres though.

Add a few inches tolerance and perfect for me.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

10 cameras (12 for FIFA), 29 data points, 50 frames per second. I still can't imagine it's accurate to a few millimetres though.

Add a few inches tolerance and perfect for me.

I’m in.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I’m in.

Perfect, nice working with you.

Next discussion, reconciling Russia and Ukraine.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I’m neither a huge fan or a big anti. I can take it or leave it. But I do think a lot of people have short memories.

The main driving force behind VAR was seeing blatant mistakes by officials for things like off side, when one quick replay clearly showed an error. And I think what some people don’t take into account is those instances have been totally eradicated. I’m talking about the ones like when Walker was two yards off side before he crossed for Tottenham to score against us. When that happens now, VAR has one glance, tells the ref and play is restarted immediately and the incident is generally totally forgotten about instantly.

I’m not saying people can’t be in favour of scrapping VAR altogether. But bare in mind you’re advocating a return to the days where goals like that Walker one will stand.

But maybe that was better than what we have now?

It seems like VAR has brought many many more 'incidents'

Walker being offside was a thing on its own. We are very probably going to have yet more incidents this weekend. We all know it. It happens every week.

If VAR can't be improved then yes I think it would be better if it was removed and brought back into line with grass roots football like they maintained in the first place. Unless it can be improved, the tech, the process, the transparency, the politics.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Bollocks!! Everyone would have been in uproar about it. Except rag twats obviously.

so were the rags not getting ridiculous decisions there way before VAR ?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Perfect, nice working with you.

Next discussion, reconciling Russia and Ukraine.

How do we know the missiles will hit close enough to their targets?

 

[inchy14]

so were the rags not getting ridiculous decisions there way before VAR ?

Yes but my point is that with VAR these decisions couldn’t be ignored and had to be given. My original question was have they had a piss poor call go against them and pages later not one has been posted.

 

[stonerblue]

Absolutely everywhere (on FIFA, specifically): players, clubs, former professionals, media outlets, sporting governance, etc.

FIFA (under Blatter) had held out much longer than every other major sport in the world—in the case of American sports, which were the earliest adopters, decades after it was initially implemented—and their excuses for not bringing it in were getting very thin, especially in the context of the myriad investigations in to corruption happening at that time. Bringing in VAR was partly an attempt to save their (namely Infantino and co’s) own skins. Many of the leagues, including the PL, didn’t want it—even UEFA still didn’t want it in the CL—even though their reasoning was just as dubious.

Some analysts argue that one of the reasons it was implemented so poorly—in addition to allowing it to still be used for match manipulation—was an attempt to get fans and media to denounce and ask that it be removed, so they could go back to the even more murky state of officiating.

And, based your and others’ comments in this thread, that tactic seems to be at least somewhat effective.

Not sure about the rest of your post but, in my case at least, corruption was never in my thoughts.
I was against it's introduction before we even trialled it because I thought it would ruin the game.